Posts by towerwatchman

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

Rather save my money, After reading multiple pro evolution books I noticed they all had a common thread. It was more speculation and imagination than science. I believe the following would address your book.

So let’s start with something easy. Proving that only Intelligence could have created life.

What kind of information does DNA have? What kind of information must the origin of life researcher ‘explain the origin of’? Webster defines information as ‘the attribute inherent in and communicated by alternative sequences or arrangements of something that produces specific effects.’ A block of binary code in a software program is information. DNA contains alternative sequences of nucleotide bases that produce a specific effect; therefore DNA contains information. DNA sequences are improbable and specifically arranged to perform, this is functional information similar to CAD – CAM. Now the question becomes not what is the origin of life but the origin of biological information. Where did the information to build the first living organism come from? Let’s bring cause and effect. If an effect has only one known cause then the presence of the effect is enough to support the presence of the cause. The only known cause of information is intelligence.

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

towerwatchman

Finkelstien

This information refutes the claim by yourself that the omniscience creator is an intelligent creator which you positionally hold.

Let's see if I can understand this. An all-powerful, all knowing, being that created all from nothing, [nothing also includes the absence of empty space] put it all into motion finely tuned, somehow does not qualify because an asteroid, one upon a time, impacted earth. Similar to an doctor treating someone for pneumonia being disqualified because his patient coughed.

It is a pretty bad and weak argument. Sounds more like a spoiled child complaining.

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2 Peter 1 = Deity of Christ.

by towerwatchman in

2 peter 1 = deity of christ.

2 pe.

1:1 simon peter, a bondservant and apostle of jesus christ, .

towerwatchman

To Cofty

Is this the best you can do? God is a God of love but also a just God. There would be no value if there was no justice. When God ordered Joshua to kill all the inhabitants He was using Israel as His tool to dispense justice. Why not argue the flood where God killed everything minus what was in the ark. Because in Joshua's account, the ugliness of sin is experienced. Now since I was in Joshua's army, and having experienced all the miracles from Egypt to then, and having seen how powerful God is, I would not hesitate to obey.

Why just dwell on this? This is between God and the inhabitants of those cities. If you are arguing that then you can and should bring into the equation, God offering you eternal life with no physical strings attached. Similar to winning the lottery and refusing to accept it based on a foolish argument favoring convicted criminals.

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2 Peter 1 = Deity of Christ.

by towerwatchman in

2 peter 1 = deity of christ.

2 pe.

1:1 simon peter, a bondservant and apostle of jesus christ, .

towerwatchman

To Fukitol

Atheist or Agnostic?

315

Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

towerwatchman

To Finklestien

So an asteroid impacted with earth. How does this prove there is no God?

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2 Peter 1 = Deity of Christ.

by towerwatchman in

2 peter 1 = deity of christ.

2 pe.

1:1 simon peter, a bondservant and apostle of jesus christ, .

towerwatchman

To Rebel

I agree. I believe that when I start a thread its my responsibility to answer each post. With all that happens in life, as of now the only time I have to dedicate to this barely covers my threads. in the future i will look at other threads.

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2 Peter 1 = Deity of Christ.

by towerwatchman in

2 peter 1 = deity of christ.

2 pe.

1:1 simon peter, a bondservant and apostle of jesus christ, .

towerwatchman

To Cofty

Again I answered you several times. The proper thing to do is to continue the discussion from there. You keep going back to square one as if you are hold the smoking gun. Come on follow the program

Let me help you out. Go back to where I first answered you about slavery and God using Israel as an instrument to dispense His justice.

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

towerwatchman

To Finklestien.

Your too full of yourself Watchtower people leave out of a lack of engaging honest discussion and this happens quite often when debating theism or personal beliefs.

I have to ask, “why is are so many posters here suffering from fecal encephalopathy?” Just for the record I am an ex JW. If you are going to insult at least get it right.

Think about this for a minute....... its known and accepted that asteroids are moving about the universe and some over time have hit earth causing catastrophic damage to all living things on this planet, ie. the end of dinosaurs.
If another large asteroid was on route to collide with earth and it was known that all life on earth was to be destroyed once again, would it still make logical sense to proclaim that a intelligent designer / deity created the universe ?

It would not make logical sense if and only when the asteroid collides and kills all life.

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

towerwatchman

To Finklestien

You cant prove something of which you can not firstly define. Proving a negative is a logical fallacy in itself. Faith, by definition, relies on a belief that does not rest on logic or evidence. Faith depends on irrational thought and produces intransigence.

Agree on all points.

There is an interesting thing about life, it is that it does not start with reason and ends with faith. A child’s mind is very limited and does not inform the child for the reason of her trust, but as she runs into her father’s arms she does so because of an unspoken trust that those arms will hold her. A child begins with faith that is then proven by reason. Over time that trust will be tested, and it is the character of the parent that will establish that trust to be wise. One starts life believing in Santa, The Tooth Fairy, Zeus, maybe the Flying Spaghetti Monster but overtime reason proves them wrong. My faith has substance, it is rational, based on the confirmed knowledge that Jesus has proven who He claims to be, God incarnate. Some accept by faith, I by reason. My faith is not orphaned by reason.

What I ask is that anyone who investigates does so honestly, researching both sides and follow the truth to where it leads them. There were many long nights that I spent searching for the truth, where ever it lead me. One thing I noticed over and over again. The God of the Bible is true, based on logic and reason.

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

towerwatchman

To Finklstien

Really , the only belief I have and hold to is the adherence to intellectual honesty and faith that its better for mankind to continue investigating facts based on physical evidence to use toward the ending benefit of humanity.

As an atheist you obviously espouse evolution.

So let's test the facts.

Is a fact that living things arise from non living things? = Never observed.

Is a fact that complex systems evolve bit by bit? = No evidence anywhere of the evolution of such systems.

Is it a fact that evolutionist have the missing link? = No the missing links are still missing.

Is it a fact that mutations support evolution? = No. Evolution (things becoming more ordered) and mutations (things becoming more disordered) are processes going in opposite directions.

Is it a fact that probability supports evolution? No. Evolutionists such as Sir Fred Hoyle concede this when they say "The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way (time and chance) is comparable with the chance that 'a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein.

Is it a fact,according to natural selection, that the fittest survive? No. Natural selection is based on circular reasoning: the fittest are those who survive, and those who survive are deemed fittest.

All requires a tremendous amount of faith. More faith than I can ever have. Again I wish I had the faith of an Atheist.

Your logic and reason is based upon hearsay alone derived from ancient mythological expressions.

Here is the funny part. I have not posted anything derived from ancient mythological expressions but science and math.

I do accept and acknowledge that the Jesus god was devised to appeal and in benefit to humanity through empathy, understanding and compassion toward the human condition.

Why bring up Jesus, I am not arguing for Jesus but Intelligent Design.