Posts by towerwatchman

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Atheism = self defeating.

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atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

towerwatchman

Brainfloss

come on lets not insult one another these very references have been long ago and widely discredited. A veteran debater such as you,I have tracked your work going back nearly 10 years and suspect much more,can do much better than this. I have used these references myself when arguing your side of the matter and I at the time was a babe in the woods. This forum is made up of primarily x jehovahs witnesses who have been shunned by their families,lost their homes, had their lives completely turned upside down by their doubts about religion. We in large part have done the research .

If you have done the research, there is no doubt that Jesus lived, died and was buried in Jerusalem. Whether He resurrected or not, we have to come to the conclusion based on the information we have, Biblical and extra Biblical.

The fact that Christianity started in Jerusalem. All with the exception of John died a martyr death. People die for the truth, they do not die for a lie. Ect.

Your position seems to stem from the wrong the WTS did, but that in turn does not disprove that Jesus lived died and resurrected.

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Mathematically Measuring Evolution.

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mathematically measuring evolution.. when judging relationships in terms of morphological characteristics we will always be bound by the subjective.

morphologically one cannot exactly measure the distance between two organisms strictly in mathematical terms.

using the standard method of taxonomy we cannot quantify the difference between a horse and a mouse, or know which is closer mouse to cat, or mouse to fish.

towerwatchman

Cofty.

What you have is hundreds of fossils that demonstrate a common designer.

Why hide in the obscure and gray world of comparative anatomy. Come out to the light of objective math and genetics.

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

towerwatchman

Caedes

What you failed to mention of course is the problems with the handful of references to christ (and even more rarely Jesus).

We have an unknown, simple preacher, from a desolate corner of the Roman Empire, who at most had a three year ministry. When it comes to antiquity, it is amazing that He is mentioned at all.

The credibility of an ancient text depends entirely how many supernatural stories it tells.

Supernatural stories have nothing to do with it. There are other factors that determine an ancient document credible, but as it pertains to copies.

Caesar written 1 century BC, earliest copy 900 AD, number of copies 10

If the ten copies agree it is credible.

Tacitus written 1 century AD, earliest copy 1100 AD, number of copies 20

If the 20 copies agree it is credible.

Thucydides written 5 century BC, earliest copy 900AD, number of copies 8

If the 8 copies agree it is credible

Demosthenes written 4 century BC, earliest copy 1100 AD, number of copies 200

If the 200 copies agree it is credible.

Homer written 9 century BC, 643 copies 95% accurate.

If the 643 copies agree it is credible

Now apply that to the NT 5000 copies, 19000 partial manuscripts 86000 quotations from antiquity had to agree. It agreed 99%. For example the historical and archaeological references did or do exist. If you reject it, it is for personal reasons.

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

towerwatchman

Brainfloss

But instead of doing anything immediatly I let over 2000 years go by still human kind is suffering. My followers are abusing children hiding behind my name. Wars are being fought both sides say it is in my name that they fight. Oh yeah before I was Jesus I did the same thing that my followers are doing now using my chosen people. Killing women and children enslaving foriegners making later generations pay for the sins of their ancestors. That's right grandparents won't see their grand kids because their 18 year old son had sex or smoked a cigarette and never repented. I have the power to stop all of this but nobody knows the day or the hour that I will. But I will have faith I will. Oh yeah you better have faith that I will do what I say or in 50 trillion years you won't be one second closer to the end of your punishment then you are right now.

Your question is a very good question. The answer has to take into account several things, love, free will and omniscience. God created mankind for a love relationship, to give love or to receive love it has to be a free will choice. If God were to create a universe where all the possibilities would lead to salvation, that would be a violation of free will. One cannot grant free will and then violate it. Some abuse this freedom by hurting their fellow man and that is where most of the world’s suffering comes from.

Theologically, when man told God to stay out of his life God partially honored that request, and creation lost its perfection, and we now don’t live in the world God design for us to live in.

Since we are using the account in the Bible let’s keep it within the parameters of Christianity. God offers everyone eternal life. This come with some conditions, believe certain things, and live a life accordingly. Very simple. That sounds like a great deal. I live life accordingly for approx. 70 years and my reward is eternal bliss. Now the flip side. If I offend God there a punishment. The Canaanites were not innocent. They were a vile people who practiced some of the lowest form of immorality. (Lev. 18:25). God waited patiently for hundreds of years [Gen 15:16] but the Canaanites did not repent. When judgement fell God like a surgeon amputated the cancer. At this time Israel was unique. Never before or after has there been a theocracy, Israel was ruled and directed by God, and God’s extermination was a direct command from God. Israel as a theocracy was an instrument of judgment in the hands of God.

Most people make God out to be this beast by taking verses in isolation. But let’s look at the whole picture. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah clearly demonstrates that God would save a whole city for ten righteous people (Gen. 18:22f.). In that incident, when God could not find ten righteous people, He took the four or five righteous ones out of the place so as not to destroy them with the wicked (Gen. 19:15). On another occasion God saved some thirty-two thousand people who were morally pure (Num. 31:35). Another notable example is Rahab, whom God saved because she believed (cf. Heb. 11:31). And in the Gospels Jesus who is God sacrifices Himself taking our place, taking upon Himself the punishment that we justly deserve.

What one should be asking is, “Why does God allow me to live?” Since God is a holy and just God, He should not allow sin to exist. He is within His right to extinguish any life that is marred by sin. So why are we still here? Maybe, it’s because He is a loving God, who is extending His hand out to you, and waiting patiently for you to answer.

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2 Peter 1 = Deity of Christ.

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2 peter 1 = deity of christ.

2 pe.

1:1 simon peter, a bondservant and apostle of jesus christ, .

towerwatchman

Earnest

The rule does not supersede other grammatical rules. 2 Cor 'our Lord' is genitive. The rule does not apply. You are trying to fit a round peg in a square hole

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Mathematically Measuring Evolution.

by towerwatchman in

mathematically measuring evolution.. when judging relationships in terms of morphological characteristics we will always be bound by the subjective.

morphologically one cannot exactly measure the distance between two organisms strictly in mathematical terms.

using the standard method of taxonomy we cannot quantify the difference between a horse and a mouse, or know which is closer mouse to cat, or mouse to fish.

towerwatchman

Great teacher

Exactly no transitional species.

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Mathematically Measuring Evolution.

by towerwatchman in

mathematically measuring evolution.. when judging relationships in terms of morphological characteristics we will always be bound by the subjective.

morphologically one cannot exactly measure the distance between two organisms strictly in mathematical terms.

using the standard method of taxonomy we cannot quantify the difference between a horse and a mouse, or know which is closer mouse to cat, or mouse to fish.

towerwatchman

Cofty

What you have is hundreds of fossils that demonstrate a common designer. But again why hide in the obscure realm of comparative anatomy. Come out to the light of genetics.

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Mathematically Measuring Evolution.

by towerwatchman in

mathematically measuring evolution.. when judging relationships in terms of morphological characteristics we will always be bound by the subjective.

morphologically one cannot exactly measure the distance between two organisms strictly in mathematical terms.

using the standard method of taxonomy we cannot quantify the difference between a horse and a mouse, or know which is closer mouse to cat, or mouse to fish.

towerwatchman

Caedes

We can go around and around and end up nowhere. Why not address the topics. Just as other cut and paste, because sometimes the author conveys the idea better than I can does not equate to the material being wrong.

If you submitted something and I did not answer, my apologies, please post again and i will address it.

Suggest we all stop the hostilities and address the topic.

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Mathematically Measuring Evolution.

by towerwatchman in

mathematically measuring evolution.. when judging relationships in terms of morphological characteristics we will always be bound by the subjective.

morphologically one cannot exactly measure the distance between two organisms strictly in mathematical terms.

using the standard method of taxonomy we cannot quantify the difference between a horse and a mouse, or know which is closer mouse to cat, or mouse to fish.

towerwatchman

Branfloss

My apologies, it was a typo.

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

towerwatchman

Is the Bible a reliable document?

What is considered credible ancient text?

Caesar written 1 century BC, earliest copy 900 AD, number of copies 10

Tacitus written 1 century AD, earliest copy 1100 AD, number of copies 20

Thucydides written 5 century BC, earliest copy 900AD, number of copies 8

Demosthenes written 4 century BC, earliest copy 1100 AD, number of copies 200

Homer written 9 century BC, 643 copies 95% accurate.

All considered credible by scholars.

New Testament 1 century AD [50-100], earliest copy 2 century AD [100-130] number of copies from antiquity 5000, accuracy 99%, partial manuscripts 19000, quotations by the early church fathers 86000.

And people still question the Bible's credibility.