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  i am new

  by knight in

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  i have read the various posts here an i have my own story to tell i amstill a witness not as active as i used to be but stillfaithful i think the main problem that jws have is that they put c.o's m.s's elders and the like on pedestals and when you do that you set yourself up for a letdown and when that person does something you dont think is right you are letdown but one should not let this block his/her relationship with jehovah.

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  out&free..

  well said......

  it will be crossroads turn to respond to chris in length next time!

  *S*

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  Witness to teenagers or not?

  by kimberly in

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  http://www.msmagazine.com .

  this is what is being said about the witnesses on a feminist web site forum.

  i personally think the first poster was possibly a bit harsh, but then at the same time, maybe the witness she mentions should have asked for the home owner before going into her presentation.. .

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  this board would enjoy the DNC list............
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  Poorly written Scripture

  by stephenw20 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i was reading this passage about six months ago, i had a pair of elders stop by, as my wife, was affraid for my spiritual welfare.. this passage came up as one i had questions about.. .

  mat 27:50-54 jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

  and, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; .

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  When I was reading this passage about six months ago, I had a pair of elders stop by, as my wife, was affraid for my spiritual welfare.
  This passage came up as one I had questions about.

  Mat 27:50-54 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

  And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

  And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
  And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

  Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

  The elders said ..in verse 53 where it speaks of those how arose out of the tombs.......(this reads different in NWT) it meant that those form the centurion guard where those who came out from the tombs......

  oddly enough my father asked a circuit oversser this question as well. He repiled ....its a poorly written scripture.........which of course begs the question.....is there a list of them?.......

  of courseall three faithful men of the WTBTS org missed this one POINT

  it says AFTER HIS RESSURECTION...........

  Now we know Jesus mentioned prior to this, that those in the tombs would here his voice and come out.

  Also in Peter it talks about preaching to the spirits in prison:

  For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
  
  1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
  
  1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water
  
  and paul talks about the one who Acended Descended first to the lower parts.......

  
  Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
  
  Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
  
  Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
  
  Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

  so who are these that came out?

  anyone?
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  Watchtower loses one (parking)!!

  by metatron in

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  may 2001 km - district convention parking will be.

  first-come, first served basis.

  convention badge will.

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  Met,
  does it say the WTBTS negotiated to get FREE parking...or nothing at all.

  It leads one to believe there was a mistake for so long...though many will just say...oh how wonderful!.... FREE Parking....

  can we ask for our money back from past conventions?
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  CM Message of the Day

  by stephenw20 in

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  'it doesn't matter what you choose, what matters is the energy with which you choose it.'.

  4/19/2001

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  7,please forgive me.........*S*

  'Forgiveness is like a rough diet with no payback -- you won't like it until it's over.'
  4/23/2001
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  Atheists/Agnostics/Prayer

  by patio34 in

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  on the subject of prayer: this is addressed to the more atheistic or agnostic ones amongst us.. now, all those years i prayed really hard when times were tough, and then things worked out.

  i now believe it was my own hard work that gave the solutions.

  prayer was helpful in that i felt i had help.

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  patio,
  nice thread......

  I agree with larc about
  "drawing on our own inner resources," .....but dont know if I can say "we usually solve our own problems," as that would indicate we cause them as well......I dont know if this is done alone.....I would say its not........we may co create...

  " and I think the process makes us stronger in solving our problems in the future."

  I agree with this as well, its a practice we can use to strenghten our will , to be able to direct the heart and mind.....

  the only problem I have is getting caught up with expectation of success for the prayers uttered.......I would say our job is to do the exercise, connect to our higherself......and let it go where it goes........ whether it is god or not..we are still having faith in an unseen item.......the higherself or the god some pray to........

  just my 2¢
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  WTS Quotes

  by dreamer in

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  i'm not sure if this was posted before, but i found the following quote from the wts media website.

  i thought the whole article was really ironic.. .

  jehovah's witnesses firmly believe that god will accomplish his purposes for the future at his own predetermined time, on a day and hour that he has not revealed to humans.

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  Dreamer,

  I would like to edit the quote based on what we know has been stated to show this WTBTS for what it is..a group of lying men.

  Jehovah's Witnesses firmly believe that God, the editor of the Watchower..according to Fred Franz and nathan Knoor... will accomplish his purposes for the future at his own predetermined time, on a day and hour that he has not revealed to.......most......... humans. Since he is our editor(god) we know the date, but simply dont want to wirte it down, since the last time(or last twenty times) we did, God let us down.(Habakkuk 2:3; 2 Peter 3:9, 10) And they believe that these events will take place in the not-too-distant future.Of course we must realize, God is a spirit, and he knows no time, so not to distant future could be before the next creative period. (2 Timothy 3:1-5) However, we do not speculate on the significance of the year 2000. There is no evidence whatsoever that either the year 2000, the year 2001, [b]or any other date set by humans has anything to do with God's timetable.Again, we would like to write it down but in the past , God let us down, made us look bad, and our Unity as an organization suffered.

  We simply cant accept that. Whether God likes it or not WE WILL BE UNIFIED.

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  Never throw away Kult Kollectibles

  by Tallyman in

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  no, this ain't no advertisement, since the auction is long over.... * http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=1129186088.

  just wanted to illustrate the value some collectors put on the old watchtower stuff, and that it is wise to hang onto it and if someone wants to 'pay through the teeth' to acquire it, well and good, because that way it is preserved, and not gone and forgotten, but rather the watchtower's rich heritage lives on and the litter-chewer & sundry memorabilia is on someone's shelf or in their display cabinet for anyone to see in case there's a future challenge that such never existed.. who in their right mind would pay over $13 bucks for a little worm-eaten tea bag??

  a krazy kult kollector, that's who!.

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  so how many of these auctions are itmes that reside in BROOKLYN..........

  money is money...........we can sell anything to our members....... even after we use them!...
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  To lovely Lily

  by StiLLinTruth in

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  nice website there, lil!.

  >imagine having to choose between your family and your freedom.. why would anyone want to do that?

  here's a suggestion.

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  Still.......
  what a Loving post you made......

  perhaps you should read the website

  http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm
  Do you shun former members?

  Those who simply cease to be involved in the faith are not shunned. In compliance with the Scriptures, however, members can be expelled for serious unchristian conduct, such as stealing, drunkenness, or adultery, if they do not repent and cease such actions. Disfellowshipping does not sever family ties. Disfellowshipped members may continue to attend religious services, and if they wish, they may receive pastoral visits. They are always welcome to return to the faith.—1 Corinthians 5:11-13.

  SO still are you JUDGING lily , as wicked......
  nice job!....

  1Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

  is she one of these?

  once again Still you ahve managed to learn how to take scripture out of context.....

  Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

  2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
  ..............the doctrine.....is what exactly?

  By the way still
  perhaps you are familar with how Jesus felt about Judging people....even those caught doing somehting wrong

  And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
  
  Jhn š A4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
  
  Jhn 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
  
  Jhn 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not].
  
  Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
  
  Jhn 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
  
  Jhn 8:9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
  
  Jhn 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
  
  Jhn 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

  so Still......are you ready..so we can come judge you!?
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  Amateur Counselors & Nice "Wicked&quot...

  by patio34 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  two observations since leaving the jws:.

  1. are the elders really 'teachers'?

  in the public talk they have to follow the outline provided by the wt.

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  Patio,

  Recently I had a wonderful opportunity to write my local congregation regarding my opinion of this very subject(and a few others) . Here is a little excerpt from the letter.

  "Brothers I see a dangerous positon here,(referring to WTBTS command to call them... rather than authoritys) as one that will not disclose information to authorities, that could both move along an investigation, and one that puts the elders in between the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society ,Inc. and the authorities. In the congregations, somewhere in the world, I am sure a lawyer exists. However, in the thirty years since my association began with Jehovahs Witnesses, I have never met one. This tells me that the society is putting your local elders in harms way , as you are unqualified to have any place in a criminal investigation.
  To follow this up, few if any elders ever take any accredited training classes for dealing with emotional,psychological, or mental problems. Yet on a routine basis, you have to Judge what is best for the members of the congregation. I ask by what authority you do this. This is not the first century, the elders are not anointed men,they are not appointed with Holy Spirit, so what then gives any brother who occupies a seat as an elder , the authority to judge one of his brothers. I do not recognize this authority and will reject any and all attempts to be judged in this matter as it is not scriptural."

  to go a step further. When you get baptised you are not brougth before commitee, you are not told you are subject to this judgement of unqualified persons.

  I see this as the worst snowball that ever rolled through hell. It has just managed to get through because the majority of rank and file , dont question the authority , and just give to much of their own energies, faiths, and consciousness over to others who are quite unqualified.

  Funny thing is, as soon as one(an elder) reads a book that might actually qualify them to open their mind , or gets an idea that judging is wrong.........presto magico...hes gone!...

  UNITY AT ALL COST>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it cant be said better.......

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