Posts by stephenw20

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prayer in school

by stephenw20 in

in cain's heart.

nra.

my daughter's death will not be in vain!

stephenw20

Larc,

ordinarily nothing, ordinarily everything

The whole objection/obsession, in the past, of science's demand of "Verifible Proof" of ESP, etc. has had it's legs taken out from under itself. By who? PHYSICS ! The highest/purest ground of science is now in the opinion that you cannot separate the Observer and the Observed ! There is NO Objective Experiment.

It has also proved(yes proved) that a two particle miles from one another can affect each other instantly. (the details of this are facinating). Things like the single/double slit light experiments show that depending on what we are looking for, the experiment will demonstate that perspective(ie probability).

How can two things(particles/waves) communicate/know that the other has changed and thus they must change instantly. (this involves experiments with what's called "Matched Pairs" Photons/Particles with the same spin and orientation.

Imagine watching a Cloud Chamber(watching particles) and you see 3 particles come literally from nowhere(positive/Negative and Neutral) and then collapse back into each other(annilation) and disappear?

Look at a florescent light, Believe it or not it is blinking on and off. But because our only can detect 30(I think about there) oscilations per second, It appears to be on All the time. What if Matter was blinking on and off faster than we could perceive? We would never know it. (note: Our instruments are blinking also)...

in this case here is my suggestion.......

a plane flys in an atmosphere subject to change and reaction,itself being part of the cause for reaction....while there are calculable ways to land and fly a plane, there is always an X factor........in this case an x factor with a problem..... so what is true of an aircraft at say 100mph is not the same @ 200....

its more complicated than just more air passing by a wing......
the reaction phase /ratio is thrown off into a tizzy........

S

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Circle of friends

by mommy in

i have a circle of friends.

the kind of friends you can pop in whenever you are in the area, without a phone call first.

the kind of friends i would allow to enter my house if i wasnt home, to borrow sugar, flour, toilet paper, etc, if they needed it.. we are a close knit group and watch out for each other.

stephenw20

Wendy,
I am sorry as well that this is happening. Keep your chin up we are here.......

Its really ironic on this forum with all the stories we hear of legitimate abuse and no policies are adopted, from so called christian men to inusre childrens safety. Makes you wonder if we all dont need to complain LOUDER>>>>>>>>>>>>

((((((((((WEN)))))))
S

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prayer in school

by stephenw20 in

in cain's heart.

nra.

my daughter's death will not be in vain!

stephenw20

EX,
you didn't answer whether or not the evildoers prayer did him any good?

"This should include the choice not to pray, or the choice to pray to a non-Christian god, without pressure or coercion. Why should students be forced to worship someone else's idea of a higher power?"

I never suggested someone had to worship another persons god......that is not what this is about.......

"EX: I am aware of no genuine or proven miracles to explain."

I see one everyday, when I drive over the mountain between myself and the sun...... I am here........ and I dont have to be.....
In my perception , miracles exist...I am sorry for you EX they dont.....I see too much evidence of them on a routine basis to deny them.... perhaps you may read this story

http://myss.com/myss/storyofweek.asp?id=35

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your point is well taken if you give the credit to God for sparing , you must saddle him with the seeming unfairness of the plane crashes........I dont see it that way....and I dont see it as god needing angels when a plane goes down........

I SEE IT ALL AS AN EDUCATION> for us who deal with the loss and for those who go...... you can say this(physcial) is all there is.......... but on what basis can you make that statement, when it has been stated hundreds of times people with near death experiences, getting close to another power..and returning......

we are spirit as well .....which many discount HEAVILY... I prefer not to.......

Take care EX..

S

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prayer in school

by stephenw20 in

in cain's heart.

nra.

my daughter's death will not be in vain!

stephenw20

ianao

well said

it was my intent

THANK YOU

S

52

prayer in school

by stephenw20 in

in cain's heart.

nra.

my daughter's death will not be in vain!

stephenw20

ianao

My comment was in referrence to personal ego....my own...

so are you suggesting
a) its wrong to pray to go or acknowlege him..... as it feeds his ego
b) its wrong for ~me~ to pray to feed gods ego
c) does god even need the pat on the back?

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prayer in school

by stephenw20 in

in cain's heart.

nra.

my daughter's death will not be in vain!

stephenw20

6,

"You denigrate the Creator with your silliness, Stephen."
Silliness?..guess you can explain that one?
But thank you for the love 6

"Any truly spiritual person does not need or care whether the school system sets aside time for it. It always has been, and always will be, a total and complete non-issue for people who truly care about praying and not politics."

6 , I can t speak for your country nor for all of mine..when I was in school ,prayer was THE LAST thing on my mind..... because it was never introduced..... but the flag was EVERYDAY>>>>>> I dont mean that this is wrong....... just that it was acknowleged and expected daily.....is there something wrong in the idea of acknowleging the higher power daily......schools dont want to get ino the RELGIOUS aspect of it..but are ok to do christmas and easter holiday projects......they are ok to observe Martin luther king, and Ok for Columbus...but lets not get to prayer that would be dangerous....... isn't that a double standard or just a barrier on the road.........

"The plane in China was flown down with the skills of the pilot and the remaining mechanical ability of the plane. "

Yes you are correct, and since I was not there and neither were you ..you cant say for certain that this flying machine had no additional assistance......it is my feeling it did.....

":I don't have my JW view of the military any more, but why the f*** would God intervene in something like that? Especially when you look at what he does not intervene in. "

This will sound cold ...BUT WHAT THE F**K BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS WHAT GOD DOES!...he doesnt answer to you.....
get a clue....its his board game!

"And you, young man,(thank you) why the hell are yoClà!athering about miracles in regards to this China plane situation? I assure you the pilot is glad to be alive, but he knows exactly how he got the plane down."

Well I cant speak for him, but perhaps we will hear more in the days to come his version. If he knows *exactly* what happened perhaps he will write about it in a forthcoming book......but really quantum physcis being what they are..I dont know how you can say for sure ~anything~ about the way "HE" got that plane down......

"I mean, at least be willing to think the best of God, instead of making him as small and petty as a fundy reading the morning paper."

I will say this with all the love I can........ YOu have no idea what I think......and I find it almost personally offensive that you are stating I think God is not thought of in the best light. I say almost , because there is no room for ego , where god is .......

I will say I dont find him petty in any regard.......

6...love the day

S

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Healing and meaning

by Introspection in

the following is by dean ornish, no doubt many have heard of him, he's the md who has the program for reversing heart disease.

i thought many of us would be able to relate to these words:.

"for me the epidemic in our culture is not only physical heart disease but also emotional and spiritual heart disease.

stephenw20

Man has done a lot to injur himself

and as a group we deny the power of our spirit and what it can do......

good post Intro!

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TIME

by stephenw20 in

dr. caroline myss: understand there are two types of time.

chronos time and kairos time.

chronos time is the time on your clock, the hour- to-hour, day-to-day time; its literal time.

stephenw20

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myss.com

I have the tape want to borrow? *S*

its a wonderful tape....... talks alot about how we manage our energy in the illustration of banking with daily money.....

our past pains...wind up costing us a great deal of our daily currency and this leads to DIS-EASE

Forgiveness is a big key , which can lead us to healthier living as does being in the present time.....

there is a discussion board on her site........as well

hope this helps
S

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prayer in school

by stephenw20 in

in cain's heart.

nra.

my daughter's death will not be in vain!

stephenw20

6,

I am not going to get into a long winded debate about room to pray...children are not given space to..its not part of their day.....

its rather discouraged rather than encouraged...this is not about religion...... and the power of suggestion for impressionable minds is quite effective.....

the plane i china , which had our service men/women on it.. had few intsruments, and no way to stop the plane, beyond the brute strength the pilot could muster(and whatever other energies where with him) to stop the plane, it was going 200mph when it touched down.........

if there are no angels, no god , no savior
is it allby chance?

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Emotional Stages of Leaving the WT

by larc in

since there is a lot of emotion expressed on this discussion forum, i wanted to present a conceptual framework that might be useful.

elizabeth kiebler-ross studied the emotional state of those facing a terminal illness.

she concluded that those suffering this fate went through five stages: 1. denial (this can't true; i want a second opinion,etc.),.

stephenw20

Larc

Expert I am not.-experienced perhaps-ong" jump back in fueled by guilt and a family crisis.

The final separation , in my opininon can only take place when you decide you are more important than what is being taught, what is being held as truth, and what your freinds or family may retort to you......you almost go through the betrayal as did Jesus, tho many see you as the BETRAYER......to stand alone on an island because you have guidance or have wisdom gained through research and experience, takes some large ones..some higly evolved self esteem.......it dont come easy......many a trip many a fall ,still a doubt now and then...but the evidence will not go away.........

I see aproblem with separation for a few reasons......and the beliefs are only a part of it........the departure is much larger than doctrine...... for it changes the balance in some families.....changes eating patterns for some......schedules and on and on......I had occaison on the weekend to discuss with my 13yr old already indoctrinated daughter, her boring life.......and suggested she call her grandmother and to make her day.....

after the phone being passed to her brother and then back to her , the phone was placed back onthe wall, and I asked if my mother wanted to talk to me......the reply came back " no , she wont talk to you, as you dont go to the meetings......"

I love my mother , my daughter, and will continue...its really as Jesus pointed out , not their fault, its no less pleasant , and needs to be experienced and dealt with ,

if your beliefs of separation are not strong enough .... you will crumble under the pressure and have no sense of esteem or person. from this perspective sickenss is waiting for you......

I have heard alot about separaNÚØ over the last six months. Separating from a tribe a belief. What happens to many is to prevent the imminent change we sabotage ourselves.... side step the issue and try to hang on to the tribe and ourselves even tho we dont agree with the tribes direction, we may even go BACK to the tribe to attempt to bring out of it..those we can trust..... funny thing is the tribe was here before us and will be when we go..they dont need us... just move on and be quiet and this tribe has that matter well in hand........... the fence sitters are in for some uncomfortable moments , in that they can't BRING themselves to announce their self worth and let everyone know ..they have a right to believe the sky is pink.....so it is a SLOW CHANGE.......till it is realized,,, I can get back to me and myself have the power I was born with and the support from above, within or a new tribe(perhaps this one) and get out and away from this where it is more healthy for me.....

..and if in this journey you still retain the idea of finding that spirtual paradise , it may even be more challenging .,as you must divorce yourself from doctrine that had your life under lock and key for years......and search for the truth inside of yourself, why your here, who made you, where are going, what makes you happy....

the dark night of the soul is not a painless journey, it was never promised to be.....

S

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