Posts by StinkyPantz

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Creation: The big and the small of it

by Zechariah in

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more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

You never appreciate your health until.....

by zenpunk in

hi all - i know i haven't posted here in a very long time and unfortunately the reason why hasn't been good.. life was good throughout the summer, travel, college, excitement.

until one day i was sitting in my first class airline seat (i'm a big-time frequent business flyer) on the way back from kansas city and i noticed a lump under my arm.

i went to the doctor and was told it was nothing and they took it out.

StinkyPantz

Wow, sounds scary, I hope everything is okay. Good luck to you!

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Hi

by hopper in

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i'm a newbie.

i'm glad i found you guys.

Creation: The big and the small of it

by Zechariah in

jw
friends

more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

StinkyPantz

Nice list but do you notice that none of them lived during this century. The last one died about a hundred years ago.

Most people, even scientists want an explanation for our existence, they have the right to be wrong just like you do.

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Creation: The big and the small of it

by Zechariah in

jw
friends

more than any time in history respect and the awe of god has seriously eroded .

man has taken creation for granted and have allowed themselves to believe that no intelligence was required in the making of the universe.

random impersonal forces they delude themselves could have caused all we see in the universe.

StinkyPantz

Z-

You said:

What appreciation can they have for something they believe could and did happen all by itself.

The universe didn't happen all by itself but "God" did? Such a magnificent creature is far more amazing than a simple universe, surely he too must have been created.

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

Yes, I have read experiences from people that have gone through near death experiences. I took a psychology of consciousness class and I examined almost every area of consciousness that you could think of. I also know that meditation is supposed to be good for you and Ive tried it before, so maybe Ill take your advice, Ill take all of the help I can get.

LyinEyes-

I just wanted to let you know that you are one of my favorite posters! But anyway, I think Ill end up with Psychology and Forensic Science majors and minors in Criminal Justice, Sociology and Spanish. I want to start out as a crime scene investigator and also work in the crime lab, after several years I want to get into the FBI as a Special Agent and eventually end up as a Criminal Profiler for the FBI. As I get closer to retirement I think Id like to simply supervise a crime lab. Crazy, huh? But I think itll be very exciting.

By the way, CSI is awesome. I only watch it and Law & Order.

Coolbreeze -

I too believe that religion is merely another of mans agenda, but I hope that religious people can still help me in some way. I know that regardless where I end up as far as my believe in a god I will never again be a part of organized religion.

Pomegranate -

Why cant you accept that the universe just happened from nothing but a godlike creator can? I used to feel as you do that the days mentioned in the Bible could still mean millions of years each in Gods eyes, but now I just dont know if I can handle that. You said, If GOD wants you to know He exists, He will make Himself known to you. Does this mean that god doesnt want some people to know? Because many are atheist and agnostic like me, does this mean we arent worthy?

Tashawaa-

Interesting perspective, thank you!

Runningman-

I agree with you but part of me still wants to believe, I just cant seem to get past it.

Shera-

Like you said, why can people believe God had no beginning but the universe had to? I cant. I could possibly accept there was a God, but he mustve had a beginning too, but if thats the case, did he have a Creator? So many questions, so few answers

Nowhere -

So if the universe had a beginning, did God? And if so, did he just appear one day, did he evolve, or did our creator have a creator? Doesn't an almighty God defy the laws of chance?

Zechariah-

I dont even know where to begin. You first few statements seem a bit self-serving, like you are happy to be helping yourself and not necessarily me. Why do you supposed God chose certain ones to be his servants instead of allowing us all to see him; seems a bit unfair dontcha think? Why are you so special, so blessed?

So you are an expert psychologists, huh? Well, Im sorry but just your word doesnt reassure me. Especially if you gained this training via a spirit and the internet. You say that nothing in life is coincidental, could you elaborate? This seems to like you believe everyone and everything has a prelaid plan. Was it a gods plan that my best friend was killed by her father? You also said, Do not believe anything that does not benefit you. What?! You must be joking. If we believed only the things that benefit us, then we would never get anything accomplished.

I discount everything in this part of your post,

BELIEVERS UNBELIEVERS
light colors (yellow) dark color (black)
optimists pessimists (realists)
loves change Hates change
trusting mistrustful
hopeful hopeless
thinks positive thinks negative
counts blessings counts troubles

because they are absolutely wrong. What do you base these on? I see myself as an unbeliever but I am very optimistic (ask my husband), I also am hopeful about my life and career and future, I think positively and I am very open to change.

Last but not least I must comment on this statement, If you are honest you will admit the world is now a scarier place and your enjoyment of life has greatly diminished. Sorry but wrong again. My life is better now than it has ever been. I am happily married, Im in college, Im moving to Florida in a few months, and Im looking forward to kids! Belief in god made my life miserable. I was constantly afraid of what displeased him, and I was very insecure because of it. Even though that is the case, Id like to know either way, and I just dont think I ever will. I am happy that you have faith in god, but you havent convinced me. Maybe I havent actually, set [you] up to go to a new phase of [your] mission from God.

Farkel-

Im impatient, what can I say?

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The unbearable rightness of questioning....

by SixofNine in

" sometimes evidence means.

true.

were really true, we ought to see so-and-so.

StinkyPantz

Excellent!

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

StinkyPantz

SS-

I've read a lot about near death experiences, and I've also read how they've been simulated in a lab, so I don't really see how that would help. I've also read and meditated on the Bible. I've read parts of the Koran. I've explored many religions: JWs, Catholism, Islam, Bahai, etc. and none of them satisfy my questions.

Mango-

Well, I guess I shouldn't say "prove" to me there's a God. But instead, why do people believe? I want to know why believe in God when so much refutes his/her existence.

6of9-

The only "truth" I know has been proved via science; but I'm wondering if I am merely being blinded by some other force. Maybe I am "dishonest" or "stupid" as you say, but that's why I want help so that my eyes can be opened.

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I'm just worried that a lack of a solid belief in God could leave me in Hell or something. I just wish I could find out either way.

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

StinkyPantz

Since I have stopped attending the meetings, I have had a loss of faith in God. I consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist. While in school this last semester I have been taking courses that emphasize evolution. So I wonder, how could anyone believe in the Bible with so much scientific evidence that refutes it? I am currently a Psychology major but I am switching to a major in Forensic Science. So as with other people who love and appreciate science, I have wonder how Bible believing people can still justify their beliefs..

It is apparent through various means that the Earth is millions of years old. One way we know this is because the various continents used to be one continent and has over the course of millions of years separated (over and over again). If you look on a map you can see how they used to fit together. Scientists have measured how far the continents move per year and it would have taken possibly hundreds of thousands of years to have separated this far. (But the Earth was created only a few thousand years ago, right?)

Also, fossil records have unearthed bones that are thousands of years old, some of which are similar to homo-sapiens (modern day humans), such as homo-erectus, home-habilis, and Neandertals. These show how weve evolved over millions of years (dont they?).

With all of this evidence and much more, I still find myself wanting to believe in God (at least the Christian God), but most if not all evidence points against it. My biggest fear and the main reason I cant give up my belief in God is because I hate the idea that I will one day not exist.

So, I wonder is there anyone out that that can: 1) intelligently and preferably scientifically refute that the Earth has been around for millions of years and that humans have evolved over millions of years and 2) prove with only a reasonable doubt that there is a God. I want to believe but this whole college education thing is mixing everything up. I now see why the Society was so against it.

Edited to add "reasonable".

Edited by - StinkyPantz on 23 October 2002 3:4:52

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Update on my little sister

by mamashel in

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for those of you who were so helpful in the hard time we were going through in my sister in laws case of abuse, i have some really good news.. she is 14 yrs old and her mother is a jw, totally active witness, her mother married the girls father after he served only 14 yrs of a 25 to life sentence for manslaughter.

he was released because the prison closed down and the others are overcrowded.

the mother married him, and after only 3 months of being out he started physically abusing the daughter(my hubby's sister).

StinkyPantz

This is really great news. Good luck in the future!