Posts by StinkyPantz

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

StinkyPantz

Gumby-

You are a breath of fresh air. . .

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

I give up with you. I love that fact that you are quoting the Bible to an agnostic. To me Jesus was just another man, a very charasmatic man, but just a man. So quoting him will get you no where with me.

I will pick about your statements once again, but I have tired of it. I wish to discuss these things with someone who has not already condemned me.

If God doesn't give one man a gift, then it's obvious that man is not God's child. I always remember Christ called the Jews sons of the Devil. Obviously no gift for them.

That's me, I suppose, "not God's child".

I apologize beforehand for the comment I am about to make; but you are the reason I abhor religion. Religious people, especially Christians, are extremely judgemental and closeminded. I know because I used to be there myself. I opened this thread hoping that if there is a God, he'd see that I was searching for him. But all you tell me is:

the man does not choose God

So regardless of what I do God may not choose me. . .

how can someone with doubts truly be seeking God

So I guess God thinks I don't want to know him because I have doubts, how loving. .

sons of the Devil. Obviously no gift for them

So since I fit your description of the Devil's son, I'll recieve no gift. . .

God so chooses to pick SOME out of that pile to be ADOPTED as his through a spiritual process

Why didn't he choose me? I am a good person, I searched and prayed, and I guess that means nothing so I remain in the garbage. . .

Little faith and doubt go hand in hand. Ask God for more faith, and it will be given you.

I have asked but I guess he wants to leave me in the garbage pile. . .

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

StinkyPantz

Exactly!

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

StinkyPantz

SS-

I don't know what happened to my red post but there's a scroll bar at the bottom.

I'm glad you think it's a good thing that I should search if I have doubts, I was told "can someone with doubts truly be seeking God? . . . You have shown you do not. One who doubts will not seek."

So some think that I shouldn't doubt or if I do why bother seeking? Isn't it human nature to explore?

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

StinkyPantz

Pomegranate-

I suppose you assume that I have not sought God out. I have read the

Bible over many times and believed it too. I have also read parts of the

Koran. I've looked into many religions and philosophies all because I do

want to believe. Unfortunately, I can not put all my faith in something

I have never seen.

Was it fair that you were given the life you have now? I mean, God 
					didn't ask for your permission first to grant you your life; you didn't 
					do anything so that God owed you your life. Can you tell the gift giver 
					who to give a gift to?

Well, I think it's only fair that gifts are given fairly. Do you give

one child the most expensive precious gifts and the other shitty ones

and expect him to be thankful? Are you unfair to your children? Assuming

there is a God and he gives us life why give others a good one and

others such a crappy one? It seems to defeat the generosity of

life-giving if some die 6 months into their life or if some are born

extremely retarded or others have such debilitating diseases that they

suffer their entire lives. What a great gift! Some would rather have

not been born, or others are so slow mentally, or in so much pain

physically that they can't appreciate it.

Can you demand that a gift be given to you? Will complaining that God 
						is not fair because you do not receive a gift make him go "oops, I must 
						be unjust, I better choose stinky too.

Well once again assuming there is a God and he's perfect in his decision

making then he would do things fairly and give gifts of love and

knowledge fairly. Especially to those that have looked for and longed

for him, such as me.

Explain to me, how can someone with doubts truly be seeking God? The 
						man who seeks out a treasure truly believes and trusts the treasure 
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							xists, otherwise he would not seek it out. The man who doubts the 
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							reasure exists will do no seeking at all. It's the same with God. If 
						you doubt that God exists, you will not seek Him out.

I don't get this question at all. If I totally believed in god why would

 I seek him out? It's when you doubt something that you search for it to

 either reassure that it really exists or know once and for all that

it's a fairy tell. As Tashawaa said, many had no doubt in their minds

that Atlantis existed or that Santa Claus existed, were they right? But

they searched and were able to learn the truth instead of what others

told them. Isn't it also a good thing that people doubted that the

world was flat? Yes. There are many times in ours lives where doubt is

a good thing. Believing blindly is what's scary. Doubting if god exists

it very important, and I refuse to make my conclusions before I have

plenty of evidence to support it.

So, do you believe the treasure exists? You have shown you do not.

I believe in the possibility of a treasure, and I have searched for the

treasure my whole life. Unfortunately, at some point you have to face

reality and realize that the treasure you so desperately seek just isn't

 there. You might want it more than anything, but that doesn't make it

real.

One who doubts will not seek.

Lies. I have doubts and I truly seek, why do you think I've searched the

 Bible and various religions and even put this question to the board?

 I've also prayed. . .

Well, I'm glad that your beliefs are unshakeable, I thought mine were too

Nothing lasts forever.

Edited by - StinkyPantz on 24 October 2002 18:25:25

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Please participate in my survey

by Zechariah in

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i have received inquiries about how i was trained by spirit as a psychologist.

i was led to many sources of enlightenment.

books routinely was i led to that it was important i read.

StinkyPantz

I've seen this before and I already know what my combination supposedly means.

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Letter I WISH was Read at Supplementary Elder's Co

by outnfree in

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messenger posted a thread with transcribed notes of a letter read only at the recent elder's supplementary course regarding child molestation.

i have written a new, improved version, with suggested additions in red and purple.

elders supplementary course

StinkyPantz

Would be nice, wouldn't it?

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

StinkyPantz

Hoob-

You have mail.

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Please convince me I'm wrong!

by StinkyPantz in

since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

StinkyPantz

Pome:

So once again I ask, why it is that:

God chooses the man, the man does not choose God

That seems to be very unfair to me. Did God discount me at birth and decide that he doesn't want me, and yet he chose you? I have sought him out, why has he not chosen me. . .

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Girl dies for her beliefs

by terafera in

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hundreds pay tribute to jehovah teen who fought against blood.

transfusions.. by licia corbella, editor.

do not mourn me for i'm not dead.. i lay asleep upon this bed.

StinkyPantz

At least she'll never know that she died for a lie. . .

Czar- What's pathetic is that a family was broken up because a father wanted more than anything to save his child's life.