Does Howard Herpelink, Howard Hope, Floyd Benson, Jim Thorpe, or Bruce Mathis sound familiar? I forget who was CO, vs. PO, vs. DO, etc.
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stocwach
Wickenburg is about 1 hour or so away. Papago Park is around 52nd st. and Mcdowell in phx. I was in it mid '70s to early 80's, and finally left indefinitely when I was 18 in 1985.
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stocwach
Specifically the old Papago Park congregation?
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Help with "APOSTATE"
by moman inwe call the wt the "borg" & their followers "dubs" etc., these are describtive words that (we) have given them.. my question is this: why do we refer to ourselves as "apostates"?
this is their (derogatory) name for us.. what can we call ourselves, how bout "liberators"?
, this is difficult.
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stocwach
The 2 main definitions of "apostate" in Meriam-Websters Dictionary are 1)renunciation of a religious faith 2) abandonment of a previous loyalty.
So from JW perspective, we are considered apostates, and you could consider yourself a JW APOSTATE.
For those of us that have accepted Jesus Christ as our personal Savior, we DEFINITELY are not Biblical apostates.
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WT Quote that Abraham & co. have earthly hope?
by stocwach ini am trying to prove a point to a jw, and i was wondering if anyone has a specific passage from any of the publications where they specifically reference faithful men of old such as abraham, isaac, and jacob as having an earthly hope, vs. a heavenly one?.
thanks in advance!
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stocwach
Thanks everyone!
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WT Quote that Abraham & co. have earthly hope?
by stocwach ini am looking for a specific example in any wt publications where the society unequivocally believes faithful men of old have an earthly hope, an not a heavenly one.. thanks in advance!
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I am looking for a specific example in any WT publications where the Society unequivocally believes faithful men of old have an earthly hope, an not a heavenly one.
Thanks in advance!
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WT Quote that Abraham & co. have earthly hope?
by stocwach ini am trying to prove a point to a jw, and i was wondering if anyone has a specific passage from any of the publications where they specifically reference faithful men of old such as abraham, isaac, and jacob as having an earthly hope, vs. a heavenly one?.
thanks in advance!
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stocwach
I am trying to prove a point to a JW, and I was wondering if anyone has a specific passage from any of the publications where they specifically reference faithful men of old such as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as having an earthly hope, vs. a heavenly one?
Thanks in advance!
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Has anyone read "30 Years a WT Slave"?
by stocwach init was written in 1971 by william j. schnell, born in 1905 and was a dub from 1924-1954, holding many high positions within the org.
from bethel to direct one on one meetings with rutherford.. interesting slant that i never really considered as a plausible possibility, but now it has me wondering:.
the main theme of his book is that the society's main ulterior motive was to basically become a financial empire by selling books and publications.
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stocwach
After reading my post, I need to clarify the point about not choosing the easy out of "freedom of the press" vs. "freedom of religion".
By choosing the latter, the JWs deliberately extended their persecution considerably longer than would have been if they pleaded freedom of the press.
In this way they were able to remain in the spotlight much longer for the general public to take notice, giving the appearance that they were martyrs for a good cause.
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Has anyone read "30 Years a WT Slave"?
by stocwach init was written in 1971 by william j. schnell, born in 1905 and was a dub from 1924-1954, holding many high positions within the org.
from bethel to direct one on one meetings with rutherford.. interesting slant that i never really considered as a plausible possibility, but now it has me wondering:.
the main theme of his book is that the society's main ulterior motive was to basically become a financial empire by selling books and publications.
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stocwach
It was written in 1971 by William J. Schnell, born in 1905 and was a dub from 1924-1954, holding many high positions within the org. from Bethel to direct one on one meetings with Rutherford.
Interesting slant that I never really considered as a plausible possibility, but now it has me wondering:
The main theme of his book is that the Society's main ulterior motive was to basically become a financial empire by selling books and publications. He speaks of constant meetings with charts, graphs, and goals, etc.--much like what you would expect in a big business sales meeting.
To create a sense of urgency in the mind of the person shelling out the dough, the "end of the world" idea was keyed upon as the sole message, when in reality according to the author the insiders knew this was just a brilliant way to get the contributions to keep coming.
In the meantime, while everyone was encouraged to not put their money into anything worldly, because the end was near, the Society was busy shelling out big bucks for their future expansion. No one however really noticed the anamoly however.He then speaks of the time around the late 1920s/early'30s when they were unable to sell books and publications in large quantities for a contribution anymore, because the householder was beginning to question there motives, so they deliberately decided they needed to make it APPEAR that they were religious martyrs by organizing into big groups in public places and promoting literature with the INTENT of getting arrested! The main charge brought upon them basically peddling without a license, but instead of the JWs taking the easy stance of pleading freedom of the press, they deliberately chose freedom of religion, and thereby got the exact reaction out of the public, and the sympathizing unwary again began to pour in the contributions for the books and mags.
Another interesting note was the almost animosity that occured between the 3 classes at the time that the org. had divinely revealed:
Mordecai/Naomi Class: members of the 144K made up of older, more experienced elder types who were beginning to take notice of the questionable WT practices; Ruth/Esther class: members of the 144k made up of much younger, fresher faces that came in just as the heaven door was about to shut; and the Jonadab class, made up of the basic dregs of the organization, who were basically told that if you do everything the WT says, you MIGHT GAIN SALVATION.
I continue to be flabbergasted as to what I am finding out about the cult I used to subject myself to.
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Creation Story Contradiction
by JosephAlward inthe two different creation stories in genesis contradict each other in the matter of the order of the creation of man and vegetation.
in the first story, vegetation was created on the third day, and three days later man was created.
however, in the second creation story, there was no vegetation before man.
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stocwach
You know, the more I read the passage, the more absurdity reveals itself in the thinking of Joseph Alward, and Elsewhere, and any other atheistis mentality out there.
There is absolutely no contradiction whatsoever here, and it is obvious we are talking about an event AFTER creation, NOT A CONCURRENT EVENT.