Posts by Hecce

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Fidel Castro and the WT

by Hecce in

i am going to engage on a trip to the past and share with you some of the matters that marked the beginning of the jws persecution in cuba.

you will be surprised that the pattern that was followed is very similar to what happened in other dictatorial countries.. in the cuban case, i am going to surprise you and tell you that like what happened with hitler; the wt was partially responsible for their clash and confrontation with the cuban government.

during the early 60s the revolution was fighting for survival and they were willing and ready to demolish any perceived enemy to their cause.. a prime example was their war against the catholic church that was the most influential religious entity in the country; it took the supreme leader only a few public discourses to send the vast majority of clergy packing and back to their country, in this case spain.. the jehovah’s witnesses were an insignificant minority but they over estimated their importance and displayed a belligerent attitude, it was known that this was a us based religion and an easy target to connect them with the cia.

Hecce

A had a query about the torture and reports that some of the friends were forced to dig their own graves.

This is true, what happened is they were forced to do it; were put in front of firing squads and shot with blanks. Sometimes they did this to them more than once.

Other forms of torture included:

Sleep deprivation.

Hunger for days.

Beatings.

Buried in the ground up to their necks and left there for more than one day.

At least a case of a young brother that was stabbed with a bayonet.

Being forced to be naked or in their underwear for refusing to wear the military uniform.

The model followed was that of the Russian concentration camps, at that time the Security methods were Soviet all the way.

Barbaric and sadistic.

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Diddling, adjusting, changing Doctrines? Why not leave it alone?

by Terry in

i have kept on asking myself why the jw's put targets on themselves by constant diddling with their own doctrines?

why not leave it alone?.

mainstream christianity has fixed teachings.

Hecce

I think the members of the GB are on an ego trip and they cannot be any less than the previous ones, if they fiddle around they have to fiddle too.

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PAINTING THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER or WHY was the "GENERATION" teaching started in the 1st place?

by Terry in

setting the scene.

pastor russell died in 1916. those who had 'followed' him were known pejoratively as russellites.

you could call it a 'cult of personality' if you wanted to sneer.

Hecce

Thanks, just brilliant

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New Light - Two Sticks in Ezekiel - July 2016 Watchtower

by Listener in

ezekiel 37:15-17 prophesies about two sticks being joined together to become 1. one stick represented the two tribe kingdom of judah and the other stick represented the 10 tribe of israel (ephraim).

the article explains how the coming together of these two sticks meant the reuniting of these tribes in 537 bce.the modern day fulfillment was previously taught to mean that the anointed had once again come together in unity in these last days.the july watchtower now explains that one stick, the stick of judah, represents the anointed and the other stick, the stick of ephraim, represents the other sheep.

they further explain that since 1919 god's people have gradually reunited to become one flock.they are now saying that the other sheep are represented by 10 tribes of israel.

Hecce

YADA, YADA, YADA.

13

Can a DFed person donate?

by Lostandfound in

rereading a post re the shunning wt in feb made me think, do the wt accept money from the dead?

not inheritances but from the "living dead" as they perceive df and da people to be.. personally i think they accept or more correctly badger members who are really brain dead into giving.

or do attendants guard contribution boxes to stop such non existent people from putting money in.

Hecce

Al Capone can donate.

21

Commercial activism.

by Ben131895 in

jw
friends

in his last couple of vlogs, john cedars is wearing a t-shirt saying shunned.

some people liked it and asked him if they could purchase one.. in his last vlog (#111) he is advertising it and mentioned the link www.apostee.com, based in the us.

comments attached to vlog # 110 mentioned the fact that this company will close in april and that the business will be continued by cedars itself, who has also a stock of anti-witness items.. besides that, he was not the owner of jwsurvey.org, but since january 16, 2016 he is.. it looks (as mentioned before by simon in an earlier thread), this guy is making a living from his activism, a paid career.. one should seriously question his true motives, demonstrated in his activism.

Hecce

I don't know the full tale about Cedars, one thing that I can tell is that the man is very proactive in his work. Just recently, the video that he created about child abuse was translated and subtitled by a group of Spanish friends at their Forum. It was given at no charge to Cedars and I think that he is going to use at his site.

With time he is going to become mini tycoon.

21

Commercial activism.

by Ben131895 in

jw
friends

in his last couple of vlogs, john cedars is wearing a t-shirt saying shunned.

some people liked it and asked him if they could purchase one.. in his last vlog (#111) he is advertising it and mentioned the link www.apostee.com, based in the us.

comments attached to vlog # 110 mentioned the fact that this company will close in april and that the business will be continued by cedars itself, who has also a stock of anti-witness items.. besides that, he was not the owner of jwsurvey.org, but since january 16, 2016 he is.. it looks (as mentioned before by simon in an earlier thread), this guy is making a living from his activism, a paid career.. one should seriously question his true motives, demonstrated in his activism.

Hecce

He is just following the WT model.

143

Fidel Castro and the WT

by Hecce in

i am going to engage on a trip to the past and share with you some of the matters that marked the beginning of the jws persecution in cuba.

you will be surprised that the pattern that was followed is very similar to what happened in other dictatorial countries.. in the cuban case, i am going to surprise you and tell you that like what happened with hitler; the wt was partially responsible for their clash and confrontation with the cuban government.

during the early 60s the revolution was fighting for survival and they were willing and ready to demolish any perceived enemy to their cause.. a prime example was their war against the catholic church that was the most influential religious entity in the country; it took the supreme leader only a few public discourses to send the vast majority of clergy packing and back to their country, in this case spain.. the jehovah’s witnesses were an insignificant minority but they over estimated their importance and displayed a belligerent attitude, it was known that this was a us based religion and an easy target to connect them with the cia.

Hecce

At this point and in the interest of closure I will need a few more pages to assign guilt or responsibility for the Cuban debacle, I am not going to do that and just close the loop with some easy to understand remarks.

The main culprit for the long suffering of the JWs in Cuba is the WT, for their lack of foresight, carelessness, empathy and for using the brothers as “cannon fodder”.

The Cuban Government was ruthless, barbaric, abusive and inhuman in their treatment of persons or a group that in reality was never a danger to them. What they did was like killing a “fly with a bazooka”.

We the flock, have a degree of responsibility for being naive and trusting, when things starting going south some of the friends saw the writing in the wall and went to the hills; they were highly criticized as lacking faith and not trusting Jehovah, time proved that they were right all along.

Lesson for all of us, if you have to make decisions affecting your lives and families please don’t rely in whatever the WT is telling you. Education, business, blood, marriage and anything else are very critical matters to leave it at the whims of people that at the end of the day are unaffected by their choices and have no clue of how the real world operates.

Thanks for reading, I won’t be adding anything else but will answer any questions that may arise.

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The JW org is a failed doomsday cult?

by Half banana in

by its own mandate in the founding of the watchtower magazine in 1879, it was set up to proclaim the arrival of jc in the heavens according to the then currently failed adventist claim for jesus' return the year 1874.. russell's catalyst for all that came afterwards was his pet claim (in so many words) "aha but jc did in fact come... but came invisibly!

" he added without sound evidence that it took four years for jc to come to rule from the heavens after his arrival there and that then was said to be in 1878. .

within forty biblical years from the arrival date, russell promised, with hopes even higher than his bank account, that god’s kingdom with christ at the helm would rule the earth in the absence of all worldly opposition.

Hecce

Agree

33

death at the 'memorial'

by eyeuse2badub in

i just got the news from our former congregation in hollister, ca regarding a tragic event following the 'memorial' wednesday night.

we shared the kh with 2 spanish congos.. a couple from the spanish congregation were leaving the kh so that the next spanish congo could have their 'memorial'.

they exited the parking lot in their car when hit by an oncoming car right in front of the kh.

Hecce

Sad, very sad.