What I heard regarding this was that one of the reasons for the change was related to legal ramifications and the lack of control of the places were the meetings were conducted vs the KH.
Posts by Hecce
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12Home bookstudy ended because of 'independent study' groups? Any interesting stories regarding these types of groups?
by Nicodemus Kathoplizo insomeone suggested the other day that the home bookstudy meeting ended because of 'independent study' groups (in ireland) going 'off the reservation' and left the truth (tm).. has anyone heard of this before?.
does anyone have interesting stories of 'independent study' groups resulting in large scale apostasy?.
they did not publish this for no reason:.
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Beards - September 2016 Watchtower
by Listener inthe issue of whether beards are acceptable or not is addressed in the september 2016 watchtower - well sort of.
it is as clear as mud as to whether they are allowed in places like australia, usa and britain.. 17. what are some factors that may affect whether a brother wears a beard?17 what about the propriety of brothers wearing a beard?
the mosaic law required men to wear a beard.
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Hecce
Pete Zahut
Love your comments, here in USA most of the professionals have dropped the corporate garments, maybe legal and banking are the only two fields were these style still prevails.
The Ws are really a weird site coming into the neighborhoods with their monkey suits.
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I was helping a Mature Sister with her tablet for downloading the meeting and then noticed ...
by Quarterback inthis sweet older sister needed help and while trying to download the clm on her tablet, the history showed some porn pictures.
how does someone overlook that and carry on?.
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Hecce
I like what Giordano is saying, don't make her feel bad. Tell her privately that sometimes inappropriate stuff will get into her computer by itself and show her how to delete the history; what happens after that will be up to her.
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Any news about changes in the Elder’s arrangement?
by Hecce innot based on any major reliable information, just spiritual gossip among some very weak spiritually friends.. since the wt has made monumental changes in personnel, including bethel and cos; some are speculating that eventually there will be a cutback in the number of elders in a congregation and a return to the 1930-1970 servant’s model.. i can see some good reasons for this:.
poor quality among the elders, maybe one or two are really carrying the entire load.
the merging of the congregations will create a glut of elders strange to each other, the more that they have the more conflicts in the making.. the duties of the elders have been decreasing and most of the decisions are made upstairs.. the pre 1970 arrangement worked really well and it will take the wt less than 1-3 to find a biblical basis to bring it back.. friends, just some saturday morning thoughts.. thanks for reading..
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Hecce
Not based on any major reliable information, just spiritual gossip among some very spiritually weak friends.
Since the WT has made monumental changes in personnel, including Bethel and COs; some are speculating that eventually there will be a cutback in the number of Elders in a congregation and a return to the 1930-1970 Servant’s model.
I can see some good reasons for this:
Poor quality among the Elders, maybe one or two are really carrying the entire load.
The merging of the congregations will create a glut of Elders strange to each other, the more that they have the more conflicts in the making.
The duties of the Elders have been decreasing and most of the decisions are made upstairs.
The pre 1970 arrangement worked really well and it will take the WT less than 1-3 to find a Biblical basis to bring it back.
Friends, just some Saturday morning thoughts.
Thanks for reading.
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The Ray Franz Saga
by snugglebunny ini'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.
many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.
she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.
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Hecce
It seems like there are two different eras on the R. Franz saga, one before coming to Bethel; during that portion he was a Corporate man and behaved like any CO, DO, BO and any other JW in a position of authority.
At Bethel it appears like he tried to correct what he saw as needing mending, the most relaxing period of the WT was during his stay at the top during the 70s.
After his departure, he kept changing for the better; friends who visited him and his wife over at GA spoke very highly of their warmth and caring attitude. Whoever dealt with him during the later stages of his life, left with a good impression.
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Newspaper article on Conventions—why so glowing?
by Londo111 inevery year in dozens of cities where conventions are being held, newspapers typically write an article about the event.
there are exceptions, but usually it is like the articles above.
i would love to see more newspaper articles that did some actual objective reporting, rather than puff pieces.
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Hecce
Agree with all the reasons that have been provided.
WT is very conscious of PR and they have a nice set of press releases for every Convention need, reporters will just follow that. With regards to the comparisons with other conventions, generally speaking they are looking at different groups related to entertainment, sports, politic and stuff like that; if they were to match the WT Conventions with another religious groups like Evangelicals they will find that the good behavior is very similar.
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The Ray Franz Saga
by snugglebunny ini'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.
many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.
she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.
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Hecce
I remember a deceased CO Nick Kovalack that made a comment during one of his talks, he didn't mentioned any names but said that some people were talking about "crisis of conscience" but that they should rather be talking about "conscience in crisis".
At that time it sounded great and like a smart one liner.
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Help needed: transgender people and other unclear topics
by TeaBiscuit infirst of all, i am not quite sure whether this is the right place to ask my questions.
if this is not really appropriate, please tell me in advance, but i really did not know who to turn to, so i thought why not ask the internet... now, i know many of you are apostates and i'm not really looking for "leave it all behind you" answers, but really for experiences, thoughts and ideas... as well as maybe some verses if you can think of any.. anyway, first things first.
since this is very anonymous and i'd like to keep it that way, i will not give you my name, but still, i think some background info might be helpful.
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Hecce
spartowdown. I think what you just said really is the core of my problem. I want to have a relationship to God, but on my terms, guided by my conscience. In the end I am the one responsible for myself, not the GB. That's why I have to deal with things the way I see them as right and wrong.
With this comment you are proving that the WT is not for you.
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Help needed: transgender people and other unclear topics
by TeaBiscuit infirst of all, i am not quite sure whether this is the right place to ask my questions.
if this is not really appropriate, please tell me in advance, but i really did not know who to turn to, so i thought why not ask the internet... now, i know many of you are apostates and i'm not really looking for "leave it all behind you" answers, but really for experiences, thoughts and ideas... as well as maybe some verses if you can think of any.. anyway, first things first.
since this is very anonymous and i'd like to keep it that way, i will not give you my name, but still, i think some background info might be helpful.
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Hecce
Hecce. Though I already thought about that issue I did not research that further. Do you have a source for your statement that they all left the congregation? This sounds pretty interesting.
I was very clear that my comment was related to my personal experience and observations. Now I can tell you that the WT is not a very tolerant and progressive organization and the JW homosexuals (they are some) are living a double life, in constant fear of being outed and DF.
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Help needed: transgender people and other unclear topics
by TeaBiscuit infirst of all, i am not quite sure whether this is the right place to ask my questions.
if this is not really appropriate, please tell me in advance, but i really did not know who to turn to, so i thought why not ask the internet... now, i know many of you are apostates and i'm not really looking for "leave it all behind you" answers, but really for experiences, thoughts and ideas... as well as maybe some verses if you can think of any.. anyway, first things first.
since this is very anonymous and i'd like to keep it that way, i will not give you my name, but still, i think some background info might be helpful.
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Hecce
My small contribution: I have no experience whatsoever with the TG issue, since this is a brand new dilemma.
If I have to use some guideline as reference I will think about homosexuality and the few individuals male and female that I saw coming into the WT with the conviction that they had conquered their orientation problem. There was not a single case where they were successful, in every instance they went back to their old habits or practices and some of them took another publisher with them.
My opinion is, a person with that inclination will be asking for hell by coming into the WT.