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  Your feelings for the former travelling overseers

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during our wt life we met a good number of friends involved in the circuit and district work.

  i am sure that we share the same experience and that we remember fondly some that we caring, loving and generally interested in the brothers.

  at the same time we might remember others that were arrogant, selfish, abusive and oppressive.

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  Hecce

  Doubtfully Yours

  
  

  I concur with your opinion of Rene Ramirez, maybe the worse that I have ever seen; maybe a little bit "loco". He changed his name to some weird name, the last that I heard from him he was retired prior to the big change; went to Puerto Rico or Costa Rica and I heard that he was asking the friends for some help with relocation money.

  
  

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  Your feelings for the former travelling overseers

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during our wt life we met a good number of friends involved in the circuit and district work.

  i am sure that we share the same experience and that we remember fondly some that we caring, loving and generally interested in the brothers.

  at the same time we might remember others that were arrogant, selfish, abusive and oppressive.

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  freddo

  I remember kindly a few ones, now one thing that I have to admit the bad ones were really, really "bad".
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  Your feelings for the former travelling overseers

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during our wt life we met a good number of friends involved in the circuit and district work.

  i am sure that we share the same experience and that we remember fondly some that we caring, loving and generally interested in the brothers.

  at the same time we might remember others that were arrogant, selfish, abusive and oppressive.

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  Hecce

  During our WT life we met a good number of friends involved in the Circuit and District work. I am sure that we share the same experience and that we remember fondly some that we caring, loving and generally interested in the brothers. At the same time we might remember others that were arrogant, selfish, abusive and oppressive. Now that their jobs have been abruptly taken away, the majority of them are undergoing a harsh adjustment to the realities of their new life and some are really struggling to adapt.

  When I think about them I feel sorry for the ones that were sincere and honest about their service, no matter what we are told there is no way that people can have their life expectations changed on such a short notice without suffering a serious life shock. I know that plenty are depressed thinking about their present conditions and the life opportunities that were lost.

  On the other hand if I think about the “bad” apples a certain degree of satisfaction comes over me, thinking that they are getting what they deserve and that it was about time for them to be put in their places.

  One reality is that those individuals were living a life of privilege and adulation and that their life was based on a lie that has been exposed by their spiritual leaders. So in essence all of them to a certain degree are getting what they deserve.

  With regards to the master puppeteers, the WT the actions taken with this group reflect treachery and a high disregard for the people associated with them.

  These are my ramblings and I invite you to share yours.

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  Fidel Castro and the WT

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am going to engage on a trip to the past and share with you some of the matters that marked the beginning of the jws persecution in cuba.

  you will be surprised that the pattern that was followed is very similar to what happened in other dictatorial countries.. in the cuban case, i am going to surprise you and tell you that like what happened with hitler; the wt was partially responsible for their clash and confrontation with the cuban government.

  during the early 60s the revolution was fighting for survival and they were willing and ready to demolish any perceived enemy to their cause.. a prime example was their war against the catholic church that was the most influential religious entity in the country; it took the supreme leader only a few public discourses to send the vast majority of clergy packing and back to their country, in this case spain.. the jehovah’s witnesses were an insignificant minority but they over estimated their importance and displayed a belligerent attitude, it was known that this was a us based religion and an easy target to connect them with the cia.

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  My next item will be based on a key word UMAP, if you want to have a preview please run of a search of that word +Cuba.
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  JWs the kings of plagiarism

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wt used to be rich for the quality of their public speakers, at the top of the ladder were the dos motivating the brothers on a weekly basis.

  some of them used very folksy experiences related to the brothers as motivational tools, when you left the convention those experiences were the talk of the town.

  i remember one very well qualified brother serving as do that was constantly using those sort of experiences as part of his arsenal, at one time he related one about a sister that new that she was going to die soon and while meeting with the family and brothers for final preparations she requested to be buried with a fork in her hand.

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  As some of the posters have mentioned, if they are so dishonest with their oral quotes; can imagine what they can do with their publications. We don't have too, there plenty of examples of open dishonesty or stretching the truth to the max.

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  JWs the kings of plagiarism

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wt used to be rich for the quality of their public speakers, at the top of the ladder were the dos motivating the brothers on a weekly basis.

  some of them used very folksy experiences related to the brothers as motivational tools, when you left the convention those experiences were the talk of the town.

  i remember one very well qualified brother serving as do that was constantly using those sort of experiences as part of his arsenal, at one time he related one about a sister that new that she was going to die soon and while meeting with the family and brothers for final preparations she requested to be buried with a fork in her hand.

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  Hecce

  I think that during their existence the only truth said by the WT was:

  "Religion is a racket and a snare".

  The only problem is that today they are religion and a vivid exponent of that saying.
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  JWs the kings of plagiarism

  by Hecce in

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  2. beliefs

  the wt used to be rich for the quality of their public speakers, at the top of the ladder were the dos motivating the brothers on a weekly basis.

  some of them used very folksy experiences related to the brothers as motivational tools, when you left the convention those experiences were the talk of the town.

  i remember one very well qualified brother serving as do that was constantly using those sort of experiences as part of his arsenal, at one time he related one about a sister that new that she was going to die soon and while meeting with the family and brothers for final preparations she requested to be buried with a fork in her hand.

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  Hecce

  The WT used to be rich for the quality of their public speakers, at the top of the ladder were the DOs motivating the brothers on a weekly basis. Some of them used very folksy experiences related to the brothers as motivational tools, when you left the convention those experiences were the talk of the town.
  

  I remember one very well qualified brother serving as DO that was constantly using those sort of experiences as part of his arsenal, at one time he related one about a sister that new that she was going to die soon and while meeting with the family and brothers for final preparations she requested to be buried with a fork in her hand. When she was questioned as to the reason for that she said that she wanted to be ready on the day of the resurrection to eat her favorite cake, since she knew that the best was yet to come.

  The speaker related this as a real life experience and by the time that he ended there were no dry eyes in the hall. I left the place swallowing everything that he said, to my surprise later on reading on the net I saw the same experience adjusted to a different set of circumstances and since then I have found it a gillion times.

  Here is one version: http://hopeforlife.org/2009/09/save-your-fork/

  Have you ever seen a similar situation?

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  Fidel Castro and the WT

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am going to engage on a trip to the past and share with you some of the matters that marked the beginning of the jws persecution in cuba.

  you will be surprised that the pattern that was followed is very similar to what happened in other dictatorial countries.. in the cuban case, i am going to surprise you and tell you that like what happened with hitler; the wt was partially responsible for their clash and confrontation with the cuban government.

  during the early 60s the revolution was fighting for survival and they were willing and ready to demolish any perceived enemy to their cause.. a prime example was their war against the catholic church that was the most influential religious entity in the country; it took the supreme leader only a few public discourses to send the vast majority of clergy packing and back to their country, in this case spain.. the jehovah’s witnesses were an insignificant minority but they over estimated their importance and displayed a belligerent attitude, it was known that this was a us based religion and an easy target to connect them with the cia.

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  Village Idiot

  Hasta la vista” is a Mexican expression not, to my memory as a Cuban, a Cuban one.

  Arnold made "hasta la vista" an international expression.

  
  

  
  
  
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  What kind of person was Nathan H. Knorr?

  by Hecce in

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  we have several examples in the forum showing that president knorr was not a loving and caring person; one that impressed me was the one about the elderly bethelite that was put out on the streets until his death due to a disagreement with knorr.

  i bring to your attention an incident that happened in the country of honduras back in the 50s, it has to do with immoral conduct by a branch overseer and his subsequent disfellowshiping.

  i am not critical of the end result of his conduct but rather the salacious and detailed report of this matter putting in the open the details for the whole world to see.

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  What your telling us reveals to me the ultimate Company or Society man, what we are discussing is his human factor and his lack of compassion for others.
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  Does the WT attract needy dysfunctional type of people?

  by William Penwell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in your personal experience, do you think that the wt attracts needy types of people?

  over the years, my experience is that they do attract very needy, insecure, dysfunctional, types.

  i had an acquaintance that i just basically cut off.

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  Hecce

  Simple answer

  YES