i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.
many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.
she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.
I remember a deceased CO Nick Kovalack that made a comment during one of his talks, he didn't mentioned any names but said that some people were talking about "crisis of conscience" but that they should rather be talking about "conscience in crisis".
At that time it sounded great and like a smart one liner.
first of all, i am not quite sure whether this is the right place to ask my questions.
if this is not really appropriate, please tell me in advance, but i really did not know who to turn to, so i thought why not ask the internet... now, i know many of you are apostates and i'm not really looking for "leave it all behind you" answers, but really for experiences, thoughts and ideas... as well as maybe some verses if you can think of any.. anyway, first things first.
since this is very anonymous and i'd like to keep it that way, i will not give you my name, but still, i think some background info might be helpful.
spartowdown. I think what you just said really is the core of my problem. I want to have a relationship to God, but on my terms, guided by my conscience. In the end I am the one responsible for myself, not the GB. That's why I have to deal with things the way I see them as right and wrong.
With this comment you are proving that the WT is not for you.
first of all, i am not quite sure whether this is the right place to ask my questions.
if this is not really appropriate, please tell me in advance, but i really did not know who to turn to, so i thought why not ask the internet... now, i know many of you are apostates and i'm not really looking for "leave it all behind you" answers, but really for experiences, thoughts and ideas... as well as maybe some verses if you can think of any.. anyway, first things first.
since this is very anonymous and i'd like to keep it that way, i will not give you my name, but still, i think some background info might be helpful.
Hecce. Though I already thought about that issue I did not research that further. Do you have a source for your statement that they all left the congregation? This sounds pretty interesting.
I was very clear that my comment was related to my personal experience and observations. Now I can tell you that the WT is not a very tolerant and progressive organization and the JW homosexuals (they are some) are living a double life, in constant fear of being outed and DF.
first of all, i am not quite sure whether this is the right place to ask my questions.
if this is not really appropriate, please tell me in advance, but i really did not know who to turn to, so i thought why not ask the internet... now, i know many of you are apostates and i'm not really looking for "leave it all behind you" answers, but really for experiences, thoughts and ideas... as well as maybe some verses if you can think of any.. anyway, first things first.
since this is very anonymous and i'd like to keep it that way, i will not give you my name, but still, i think some background info might be helpful.
My small contribution: I have no experience whatsoever with the TG issue, since this is a brand new dilemma.
If I have to use some guideline as reference I will think about homosexuality and the few individuals male and female that I saw coming into the WT with the conviction that they had conquered their orientation problem. There was not a single case where they were successful, in every instance they went back to their old habits or practices and some of them took another publisher with them.
My opinion is, a person with that inclination will be asking for hell by coming into the WT.
have you all noticed the obsession witnesses have of putting jw.org on all their social media sites like facebook, twitter, instagram etc?.
so many put it in their bio section...like some sort of loud proclamation to other witnesses that they are righteous and spreading the message.. it's also very lazy.
now with no personal effort at all, they can just say jw.org and be "witnessing".
i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.
many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.
she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.
My personal experience goes like this, as a commoner I was not privy to anything secret about this affair or was concerned about it. The information that I got from the start to the end with the DF was one sided, the COs and other relevant elders were the ones talking on a negative light towards Franz about the affair; the common idea was that he was associated with some Evangelicals and had appeared on their TV channels. To be honest with you what was represent to me was not a big deal.
Years after that with the growth of the Internet when I became aware of the intimate details and his books, my perception about the matter changed completely.
more light for our ex jw members.... http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?27719-the-show-of-apple-jam-by-president-s-brother-the-accounting-chaste.
in patterson there is a group of brothers, all of them baptized after 1975, a group of them are candidates to all new gb membership, as soon as new places will be included or some members will passed away.
clear details and info tell us that a new gb will be a us citizen with mexican background.. really funny to see that we can give light to our ex jw family months before it comes public :).
By our mentions here we will kill any of our predictions, still a little bit more comments:
Moreno: weaknesses: attorneys are not spiritual beings (Rutherford and Covington) very poor speaker and not a partaker.
Perla: the perfect prototype, groomed for the position by decades of Bethel experience, not a partaker.
Firvida: same as Perla, more experience in the field and less at Bethel, the best speaker of the three and oddly enough followed his father as a participant.
Participants at the Spanish Forum seem to indicate that the chosen one is a person serving at the Mexican Branch, not a native.
with last night's meeting it became official: here in the states is a must to keep up with 'jehovah's org' that one fully jumps on board with this tablet/iphone crap.. so, now, all of us that up to this point have refused to follow the wtbts in their electronic/wireless revolution will deal with the browbeating from the 'spiritual' ones.. already receiving lots of grief from hubby and rest of the family/close friends when seen at the meetings with paper publications.
damn it!!!
am i alone in this resistance???!!!.
more light for our ex jw members.... http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?27719-the-show-of-apple-jam-by-president-s-brother-the-accounting-chaste.
in patterson there is a group of brothers, all of them baptized after 1975, a group of them are candidates to all new gb membership, as soon as new places will be included or some members will passed away.
clear details and info tell us that a new gb will be a us citizen with mexican background.. really funny to see that we can give light to our ex jw family months before it comes public :).
There is a former Hispanic DO named Firvida that started partaking a few years back. From the stand point of the WT the man is "brilliant" and I always suspected that his heavenly call was related to a possible GB appointment.
i've personally never met any of those who claim to be anointed but the other jw's who have are always unanimous in their praise of how lovely and what wonderful people they are.
and i don't mean the gb i mean common or garden anointed.
i was told that when they speak about being in heaven that they almost "seem to glow".. is this right?
Fulano
I knew Salvino Ferrari and I agree 100% with you, I think his wife's name was Helen.
