Posts by Hecce

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Does the governing body know what they are doing?

by Gefangene in

what do you guys think?.

are they only some uber religious zealots or do they pursue hidden agendas beyond religiosity?.

Hecce

I think that every version of WT leaders, including the present GB worked under the assumption that they knew what they were doing. Past history shoes how mistaken they were; the actual leaders didn't participate in building the Empire and they don't have much doubts about dismantling it.

It is very possible, almost a certainty that they are following advice from some outsiders, maybe even commercial advisers. I don't see too much foresight in what they are doing and it is possible that the effects will be seen not by us but by the next generation that will see a complete different religion.

In the process they are discarding the old generation of JWs.

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Fidel Castro and the WT

by Hecce in

i am going to engage on a trip to the past and share with you some of the matters that marked the beginning of the jws persecution in cuba.

you will be surprised that the pattern that was followed is very similar to what happened in other dictatorial countries.. in the cuban case, i am going to surprise you and tell you that like what happened with hitler; the wt was partially responsible for their clash and confrontation with the cuban government.

during the early 60s the revolution was fighting for survival and they were willing and ready to demolish any perceived enemy to their cause.. a prime example was their war against the catholic church that was the most influential religious entity in the country; it took the supreme leader only a few public discourses to send the vast majority of clergy packing and back to their country, in this case spain.. the jehovah’s witnesses were an insignificant minority but they over estimated their importance and displayed a belligerent attitude, it was known that this was a us based religion and an easy target to connect them with the cia.

Hecce

And to think that all the persecution, suffering, trials and tribulations were all for nothing. The actual JW organization has nothing to do with the way that we practiced our faith and endured.

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Any news about changes in the Elder’s arrangement?

by Hecce in

not based on any major reliable information, just spiritual gossip among some very weak spiritually friends.. since the wt has made monumental changes in personnel, including bethel and cos; some are speculating that eventually there will be a cutback in the number of elders in a congregation and a return to the 1930-1970 servant’s model.. i can see some good reasons for this:.

poor quality among the elders, maybe one or two are really carrying the entire load.

the merging of the congregations will create a glut of elders strange to each other, the more that they have the more conflicts in the making.. the duties of the elders have been decreasing and most of the decisions are made upstairs.. the pre 1970 arrangement worked really well and it will take the wt less than 1-3 to find a biblical basis to bring it back.. friends, just some saturday morning thoughts.. thanks for reading..

Hecce

Spiral

After seeing how the WT has managed to get even "Uncle Remus" into the tablet craze, I think that they can do whatever they want with the flock. Jonestown is doable.l

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Any news about changes in the Elder’s arrangement?

by Hecce in

not based on any major reliable information, just spiritual gossip among some very weak spiritually friends.. since the wt has made monumental changes in personnel, including bethel and cos; some are speculating that eventually there will be a cutback in the number of elders in a congregation and a return to the 1930-1970 servant’s model.. i can see some good reasons for this:.

poor quality among the elders, maybe one or two are really carrying the entire load.

the merging of the congregations will create a glut of elders strange to each other, the more that they have the more conflicts in the making.. the duties of the elders have been decreasing and most of the decisions are made upstairs.. the pre 1970 arrangement worked really well and it will take the wt less than 1-3 to find a biblical basis to bring it back.. friends, just some saturday morning thoughts.. thanks for reading..

Hecce

Fencing

I don't see all the elders involved in the congregation operation, normally two or three are the ones leading (this is due to experience, capacity and so on).

If they merge congregations we might see 12-15 elders together in one group and I think that will be "too many chiefs, no Indians".

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Any news about changes in the Elder’s arrangement?

by Hecce in

not based on any major reliable information, just spiritual gossip among some very weak spiritually friends.. since the wt has made monumental changes in personnel, including bethel and cos; some are speculating that eventually there will be a cutback in the number of elders in a congregation and a return to the 1930-1970 servant’s model.. i can see some good reasons for this:.

poor quality among the elders, maybe one or two are really carrying the entire load.

the merging of the congregations will create a glut of elders strange to each other, the more that they have the more conflicts in the making.. the duties of the elders have been decreasing and most of the decisions are made upstairs.. the pre 1970 arrangement worked really well and it will take the wt less than 1-3 to find a biblical basis to bring it back.. friends, just some saturday morning thoughts.. thanks for reading..

Hecce

better reward than a title?

That is exactly the point, the majority just have a title and do very little in terms of productivity. To me it was impossible to do away with the Circuit Overseers and it happened, so I don't discounted.

Once again this are just ramblings.

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Home bookstudy ended because of 'independent study' groups? Any interesting stories regarding these types of groups?

by Nicodemus Kathoplizo in

someone suggested the other day that the home bookstudy meeting ended because of 'independent study' groups (in ireland) going 'off the reservation' and left the truth (tm).. has anyone heard of this before?.

does anyone have interesting stories of 'independent study' groups resulting in large scale apostasy?.

they did not publish this for no reason:.

Hecce

What I heard regarding this was that one of the reasons for the change was related to legal ramifications and the lack of control of the places were the meetings were conducted vs the KH.

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Beards - September 2016 Watchtower

by Listener in

the issue of whether beards are acceptable or not is addressed in the september 2016 watchtower - well sort of.

it is as clear as mud as to whether they are allowed in places like australia, usa and britain.. 17. what are some factors that may affect whether a brother wears a beard?17 what about the propriety of brothers wearing a beard?

the mosaic law required men to wear a beard.

Hecce

Pete Zahut

Love your comments, here in USA most of the professionals have dropped the corporate garments, maybe legal and banking are the only two fields were these style still prevails.

The Ws are really a weird site coming into the neighborhoods with their monkey suits.

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I was helping a Mature Sister with her tablet for downloading the meeting and then noticed ...

by Quarterback in

this sweet older sister needed help and while trying to download the clm on her tablet, the history showed some porn pictures.

how does someone overlook that and carry on?.

Hecce

I like what Giordano is saying, don't make her feel bad. Tell her privately that sometimes inappropriate stuff will get into her computer by itself and show her how to delete the history; what happens after that will be up to her.

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Any news about changes in the Elder’s arrangement?

by Hecce in

not based on any major reliable information, just spiritual gossip among some very weak spiritually friends.. since the wt has made monumental changes in personnel, including bethel and cos; some are speculating that eventually there will be a cutback in the number of elders in a congregation and a return to the 1930-1970 servant’s model.. i can see some good reasons for this:.

poor quality among the elders, maybe one or two are really carrying the entire load.

the merging of the congregations will create a glut of elders strange to each other, the more that they have the more conflicts in the making.. the duties of the elders have been decreasing and most of the decisions are made upstairs.. the pre 1970 arrangement worked really well and it will take the wt less than 1-3 to find a biblical basis to bring it back.. friends, just some saturday morning thoughts.. thanks for reading..

Hecce

Not based on any major reliable information, just spiritual gossip among some very spiritually weak friends.

Since the WT has made monumental changes in personnel, including Bethel and COs; some are speculating that eventually there will be a cutback in the number of Elders in a congregation and a return to the 1930-1970 Servant’s model.

I can see some good reasons for this:

Poor quality among the Elders, maybe one or two are really carrying the entire load.

The merging of the congregations will create a glut of Elders strange to each other, the more that they have the more conflicts in the making.

The duties of the Elders have been decreasing and most of the decisions are made upstairs.

The pre 1970 arrangement worked really well and it will take the WT less than 1-3 to find a Biblical basis to bring it back.

Friends, just some Saturday morning thoughts.

Thanks for reading.

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The Ray Franz Saga

by snugglebunny in

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i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.

many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.

she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.

Hecce

It seems like there are two different eras on the R. Franz saga, one before coming to Bethel; during that portion he was a Corporate man and behaved like any CO, DO, BO and any other JW in a position of authority.

At Bethel it appears like he tried to correct what he saw as needing mending, the most relaxing period of the WT was during his stay at the top during the 70s.

After his departure, he kept changing for the better; friends who visited him and his wife over at GA spoke very highly of their warmth and caring attitude. Whoever dealt with him during the later stages of his life, left with a good impression.