The composition of the elders body will determine if you are going to have a good time or being required to fulfill your duties. My personal observation is that the elders themselves don't want to complicate their life and allow the flock to have it nice and easy.
Posts by Hecce
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36Easier to be a JW now?
by Xanthippe inreading konceptual's account of talking to cart 'witnesses' and it reminded me that when we left in '89 we thought the religion would do one of two things.
get more hardline, consequently lose members and eventually come to an end in some way.
or ease up on the members, fewer rules, less fs time, less meetings, just to keep them in.. all the recent apostate stuff, treatment of dfed kids and the hardline attitude to people who leave or try to fade has confused me, made me think they are harder on the r+f., but i don't think this is true.
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The “boldness” of the GB
by Hecce inthis topic is related to the one about the relocation of publishers and moving and dissolving congregations.. some of the things that we are seeing now were unthinkable a few years back, examples the closing of the branches, layoff of bethelites and travelling overseers, the grabbing of the congregations funds and many more.
some of my friends tell me that basically the wt was operating with an early 20th century business model that needed a tune up and that worldly consultants are behind the changes that have been implemented.. nevertheless to put it in hollywood terms, they seem to think that they are on a “mission from god” and that they are “going where no man, has gone before”..
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Hecce
It is easy to be bold when there is no responsibility for your actions, the GB doesn't suffer for their mistakes and puts the reasons for the failures on the foot soldiers.
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Major congregational quake in Southern California
by Hecce inthis notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
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Hecce
I was the one making the comment about the tablets, thinking about it a little bit more; maybe the relocation won't be that simple. I have seen that the rank and file accepts everything that is thrown at them with the exception two years ago of asking the Spanish friends to go to San Diego for the DA. That required going thru the immigration controls and the vast majority decided not to do it and in essence disobeyed "mother".
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Major congregational quake in Southern California
by Hecce inthis notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
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Dunedain
I wish that your ideas about the reaction of the rank and file were correct, I think that the flock will obey without much hesitation; I was surprised by the transition from the publications to the tablets and to how even the most poorer in the congregations made whatever was needed to get their tablet.
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Major congregational quake in Southern California
by Hecce inthis notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
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Using the term "Watchtower" when talking to a JW
by Sanchy inhas anyone else noticed how alarm bells go off inside a jw mind as soon as they hear someone that "is out" refer to the leaders of this org as "watchtower"?
i've chatted with a few friends now about my doubts and each and every time i've started using phrases such as "watchtower said this" or "watchtower did that", i can almost see their heads about to explode in anger, as if they've just realized they are talking to the lucifer himself.
some have even interrupted and corrected me by reminding me that it's not "watchtower", it's "god's organization".
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Hecce
Just as the Soviets removed dissidents from their historical pictures, the WT removes their history in a blink of an eye.
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Major congregational quake in Southern California
by Hecce inthis notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
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Hecce
My focus on this thread was So Cal, speaking with friends it seems like is happening all over. I don't know what the true intentions are but one thing that I can say is that here locally the loss of some KHs in poor neighborhoods is going to affect the most needed tremendously.
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KH Survey forms and related docs
by StarTrekAngel inthis was somewhat discussed in another thread but i figure i can start this one for those mostly interested on the docs.
most interesting to me what the name of shawn schafer at the end of one of the letters.
(wonder if he is related to david schaffer).
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Hecce
Thanks
This information complements the other thread about the relocation plans, one thing that is obvious; this project was carefully and professionally calculated and as some of the brothers had said it has the smell of business all over.
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The “boldness” of the GB
by Hecce inthis topic is related to the one about the relocation of publishers and moving and dissolving congregations.. some of the things that we are seeing now were unthinkable a few years back, examples the closing of the branches, layoff of bethelites and travelling overseers, the grabbing of the congregations funds and many more.
some of my friends tell me that basically the wt was operating with an early 20th century business model that needed a tune up and that worldly consultants are behind the changes that have been implemented.. nevertheless to put it in hollywood terms, they seem to think that they are on a “mission from god” and that they are “going where no man, has gone before”..
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Hecce
It will be interesting to see the melting of the elders bodies, elders from different congregations are going to merge and in some instances you will put together people that can"t stand each other.
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The “boldness” of the GB
by Hecce inthis topic is related to the one about the relocation of publishers and moving and dissolving congregations.. some of the things that we are seeing now were unthinkable a few years back, examples the closing of the branches, layoff of bethelites and travelling overseers, the grabbing of the congregations funds and many more.
some of my friends tell me that basically the wt was operating with an early 20th century business model that needed a tune up and that worldly consultants are behind the changes that have been implemented.. nevertheless to put it in hollywood terms, they seem to think that they are on a “mission from god” and that they are “going where no man, has gone before”..
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Hecce
"Maybe that is the reason why Loesch is not giving them the consent to the 75 year old ceiling in the GB"
I`m missing something here ? whats that about ?I read somewhere that the GB was ready to implement a 75 year old maximum age for their members and Loesch was the only one opposing it, once again this is just grapevine info.