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  Who can explain why the "Two Witness" rule is wrong, in the simplest term?

  by DATA-DOG in

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  with all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?

  i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.

  how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.

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  Hecce

  Was good for the legal system at that time, that system is not in force anymore and outdated.
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  I have just watched The Godfather movies 1,2 &3 this past week.

  by smiddy in

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  many years ago i had only seen the third movie and had never seen the first two for some reason ,so i saw them on stan this past week and enjoyed every second of it.. their were even occasions i could see the gb being depicted in it s portrayal of the rc church... its 45th anniversary is coming up this week since it was first shown in cinemas.

  what is your view of this trilogy ?

  what were your fav .moments , comments made in the movies?.

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  Hecce

  Enjoyed all three, the first one was the best.
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  Policemen beat up 15-year-old JW boy

  by darkspilver in

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  a father complains that several policemen beat his 15 year old son "because the family is jehovah's witness and the black race".

  http://www.martinoticias.com/a/cuba-golpiza-menor-estacion-policia-moron-/140761.html.

  see also https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5714189639221248/_post/4898637962280960.

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  Hecce

  marzo 10, 2017 16:12

  Nota Aclaratoria sobre la golpiza al menor de edad en Morón. Luis Lemagne Milian, de solo 15 años de edad NO ES TESTIGO DE JEHOVÁ, sus padres y demás familiares si pertenecen a esa religión. Ha sido un error de redacción en el encabezamiento de la noticia. No obstante el peso de la crónica radica en la brutalidad de la policía.

  
  

  They have this notation at the link, the 
  minor is not a JW, the family is.
  
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  The Guardian: In Russia, the persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses begins all over again

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
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  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2017/mar/09/in-russia-the-persecution-of-jehovahs-witnesses-begins-all-over-again.

  in russia, the persecution of jehovah’s witnesses begins all over again.

  giles fraser.

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  Hecce

  Sadly during the cold war the Watchtower was clearly on the anti soviet side, when I wrote about the Cuban experience I cited Awake 9/8/1960 page 16 under "Soviet master plan for world control" as an example of anti communist propaganda.

  Most likely the current Russian Government has a lot memories and record about that time period and they don't have much use for the Watchtower.

  Proscribing them is wrong.
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  Feelings of Betrayal After Catholic Church Is Leased to Coptic Parish

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  interesting article showing the different attitudes between the watchtower and the catholic church.

  when a kingdom hall or assembly hall is sold, we will have witnesses that are unhappy; none of them will dare to express that in public or do anything about it.

  they know that one way or another that will result in retributions.. since their church was shut down in a round of parish mergers in 2015, the group has been fighting to reopen it through prayer vigils and a continued legal appeal before the vatican.

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  JWdaughter

  Thanks, a nice personal touch on this subject.
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  Feelings of Betrayal After Catholic Church Is Leased to Coptic Parish

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  interesting article showing the different attitudes between the watchtower and the catholic church.

  when a kingdom hall or assembly hall is sold, we will have witnesses that are unhappy; none of them will dare to express that in public or do anything about it.

  they know that one way or another that will result in retributions.. since their church was shut down in a round of parish mergers in 2015, the group has been fighting to reopen it through prayer vigils and a continued legal appeal before the vatican.

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  Hecce

  Interesting article showing the different attitudes between the Watchtower and the Catholic Church. When a Kingdom Hall or Assembly Hall is sold, we will have witnesses that are unhappy; none of them will dare to express that in public or do anything about it. They know that one way or another that will result in retributions.

  Since their church was shut down in a round of parish mergers in 2015, the group has been fighting to reopen it through prayer vigils and a continued legal appeal before the Vatican. But the archbishop of New York, Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan, has been pursuing a different plan, taking the matter of this East 62nd Street chapel to the pope himself.
  On Sunday, the jewel-box-like sanctuary of Our Lady of Peace was opened for a Divine Liturgy service, a weekly sacrament of communion, but not a Roman Catholic one. At Cardinal Dolan’s direction, the archdiocese has granted a one-year lease to the local parish of the Coptic Orthodox Church, an ancient Christian denomination based in Egypt. The lease is the first stage of a plan to transform the church into the Coptic Church’s New York cathedral, an idea that both Cardinal Dolan and Coptic leaders say Pope Francis has blessed.
  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/nyregion/feelings-of-betrayal-after-catholic-church-is-leased-to-coptic-parish.html
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  Spain: Condemned the perpetrators of the pyramid scam 700 Jehovah's Witnesses

  by JHK in

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  2. scandals

  google translation:.

  condemned the perpetrators of the pyramid scam 700 jehovah's witnesses.

  barcelona, february 6.

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  Hecce

  Sentence is final 3/7/17, Google translation

  The Supreme Court has confirmed the sentences of between three years and three and a half years of imprisonment for the four people responsible for a pyramid scheme that amounted to 39 million euros and affected more than 1,300 people throughout Spain, hundreds of them belonging to The Jehovah's Witnesses. The deception occurred between 1998 and 2002 through Rural New Life, SL, and Mutua Mas Vida, the latter an entity that was committed to guarantee non-invasive healthcare, which excluded blood transfusions in surgical interventions, vetoed in This religion, hence there are hundreds of affected Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Juan Andrés Torrecillas Martínez, one of the founding partners of Rural New Life and former president of Mutua Mas Vida, and Diego Luna Sánchez, delegate of both entities in the Catalunya area, who took advantage of his position Of "elder" (a kind of pastor) in the Witnesses to convince hundreds of parishioners to sign investment contracts and insurance policies. Two sisters, María Mercedes and María Nieves Torres Salado, the first legal director of the two entities, and the second foundress and former secretary of the Council of Mutua Mas Vida, have been sentenced to three years in prison. The two were also designated executors executors of the founder and first president of Rural New Life, already deceased.

  The judgment of the Supreme Court confirms that issued by the Barcelona Provincial Court on January 29, 2015, which condemned the four defendants for a continuing felony offense (with aggravated misconduct and to the detriment of notoriously important), in competition With an offense of insolvency punishable.

  The Supreme Court has only partially estimated the appeal of the two women and has acquitted them for the crime of punishable insolvency.

  According to the proven facts of the Audiencia de Barcelona, ​​the purpose of Rural New Life, based in Seville, was to attract private investors through a commercial network distributed throughout Spain to invest in the real estate and stock market and Buy stakes in other companies. "However, the aforementioned accused decided - jointly and induced the spirit of unjust enrichment - to offer from 1999 as a decoy to future investors loan agreements (under the name Investment Plan and Plan Ahorro, henceforth PIN And PAN) in which a guaranteed return of between 10 and 13% was recorded, despite being fully aware that the capital would not be invested in any specific good that would produce such high dividends, "concluded the judges of Barcelona. "Conscious that only with the entrance of new capitals (pyramid) could they meet the obligations contracted, they established a network of branches (12 in all Spain)", to which they sent leaflets of propaganda where those interests were promised to Zero risk.

  At the end of 1998, when many of the investors belonged to the Jehovah's Witnesses religious congregation, as a result of the fact that the majority of zone delegates were members of the zone and they offered the products PIN and PAN to the parishioners of their community , The first president of Rural New Wife (now deceased), another partner who is now in an unknown location, and Torrecillas, decided to expand and complete the fraudulent pyramid structure by founding Mutua MAS VIDA, an entity of an apparently caregiving nature that would serve to That the same investors already raised by Rural New Life SL, decided to acquire also shares as mutualists, in exchange for guaranteeing not only non-invasive health care that excluded any possibility of blood transfusions in surgical interventions, clinical treatment that prohibits said Religion, but also high interests of their economic contributions.

  "In this way, thanks to the" blind faith "of the subscribers, the result was the sharing of the same religious ideal based on the immorality of every lie, which at the beginning of 2001 between the two entities already had almost 3,000 participants between investors and insured" , Indicates the sentence.

  The Insurance Compensation Consortium entered into an agreement with 1,312 policyholders of Mutua Mas Vida for the acquisition and subrogation of 89.31% of each security or participation, worth 11 million euros. But the Consortium did not take over the corresponding credits from the Rural New Life mercantile, since it was a private company with a profit motive, and still had pending collection by the investors 27.9 million euros.

  http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2017/03/07/actualidad/1488888795_002254.html
  
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  Need Information on San Miguel,Cuba Kingdom Halls

  by Ephraim Jamin Vasquez Jr in

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  greetings fellow brothers and sisters,.

  i'm looking to visit cuba and was thinking of traveling to san miguel, cuba and i was wondering if anyone has kingdom hall addresses (phone/address/location) want to visit my brothers there.

  i do hope someone can help me, i'm out of options :).

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  Hecce

  Assuming that you have internal access to the WT site.

  You see this weird request here.

  For one reason or another you go in and search for the information on the internal section of the WT site.

  Then you publish that information here.

  Right away the WT internal counter intelligence will know that faithful Brother ----- is posting as ------- on an apostate site.

  So just don’t do it, is an Inspector Closeau tactic.
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  A question to Non-US forum members.

  by Spoletta in

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  2. current

  now that trump is on his way to making america great again, will you consider moving here where you can get the best healthcare and education that anyone with a lot of money can buy, plus the ability to buy all the guns you need to protect yourself?

  and it gets better!

  if you are caucasian, you need never worry about discrimination.. am anxious to hear your replies.

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  Hecce

  sir82

  Agreed, wrong to interrupt and yell at the President; to show your opposition by not applauding is a tradition used by both parties.

  And Obama was liying
  
  
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  A question to Non-US forum members.

  by Spoletta in

  1. social
  2. current

  now that trump is on his way to making america great again, will you consider moving here where you can get the best healthcare and education that anyone with a lot of money can buy, plus the ability to buy all the guns you need to protect yourself?

  and it gets better!

  if you are caucasian, you need never worry about discrimination.. am anxious to hear your replies.

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  Hecce

  Here's how ABC News explained what happened:

  A Republican member of Congress interrupted President Obama’s speech tonight on the floor of the House of Representatives to yell “You lie!” at the president, in reference to the president’s assertion that his proposals wouldn’t provide health insurance to illegal immigrants.
  
  The Associated Press identified the member of Congress as Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C. The extraordinary outburst caused the president to pause briefly, and First Lady Michelle Obama to shake her head, as the emotions that have been on display all summer at town hall meetings spilled over into the Joint Session of Congress.
  
  Asked about the interruption by ABC News, a Republican National Committee official did not confirm the identity of the heckler, but said: “The reality is the President was not telling the truth about illegal immigrants getting access to care under the bill.”

  There are now reports, that buttress Wilson, and the RNC's, claim. Today a Senate report outlined up to $750 million in ObamaCare subsidies for illegal aliens. Fox News reported:

  llegal immigrants and individuals with unclear legal status wrongly benefited from up to $750 million in ObamaCare subsidies and the government is struggling to recoup the money, according to a new Senate report obtained by Fox News.
  
  The report, produced by Republicans on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, examined Affordable Care Act tax credits meant to defray the cost of insurance premiums. It found that as of June 2015, “the Administration awarded approximately $750 million in tax credits on behalf of individuals who were later determined to be ineligible because they failed to verify their citizenship, status as a national, or legal presence.”
  
  The review found the credits went to more than 500,000 people – who are illegal immigrants or whose legal status was unclear due to insufficient records.

  The media, left, and even some in his own party attacked Wilson for his outburst. In the end, it turns out he was exactly right. Obama lied, about illegal immigrants gaining benefits under the then proposed law.

  - See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/02/joe-wilson-right-obama-lied-on-illegals-and-healthcare#sthash.Q8N6f7Bt.dpuf