Posts by ÁrbolesdeArabia

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Steal a Jehovah's Witness Lawnmower....go to jail. Will JWs try to convert him in prison ?

by Balaamsass in

man indicted on stealing mower from jehovah's witnesses.

the man was sentenced to seven years after he pleaded guilty to stealing a mower from new life covenant church.. by joe scottemail the author5:55 am email print comment </form> back to article new embed|share jeremy humphries, 2, was indicted on second-degree burglary and felony theft charges.

a st. charles county grand jury said there was enough evidence to try humphries for breaking in and stealing a lawn mower and other lawn care equipment from the st. peters congregation of jehovah's witnesses.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Was he going to start a new business with the "lawn mower" or sell it for a $50-$100 bag of meth?

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Steal a Jehovah's Witness Lawnmower....go to jail. Will JWs try to convert him in prison ?

by Balaamsass in

man indicted on stealing mower from jehovah's witnesses.

the man was sentenced to seven years after he pleaded guilty to stealing a mower from new life covenant church.. by joe scottemail the author5:55 am email print comment </form> back to article new embed|share jeremy humphries, 2, was indicted on second-degree burglary and felony theft charges.

a st. charles county grand jury said there was enough evidence to try humphries for breaking in and stealing a lawn mower and other lawn care equipment from the st. peters congregation of jehovah's witnesses.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Was he going to start a new business with the "lawn mower" or sell it for a $50-$100 bag of meth?

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Did Ray Franz Go On The "Talk Show", "Radio Show", "Church Circuit" To Bash WTS?

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

i notice in ray's books he has a disdain for the more vocal dissidents of the watchtower organization.

with this being said, did ray franz go on shows like merv griffen, oprah and other "talk mediums" to attack the watchtower society?

i remember as a kid my mother running up and turning off shows apostates were to appear on, and i can't remember if ray was one of the 'bashers'?

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Hi Mouthy and friends!

@mouthy, how old were you and what made you realize what we were following was not "the truth"? Did you experience evil from "appointed men of God", were you reading God's Word and had problems reconciling the Bible and the twisted teachings from Bethel. What started to crack your belief in a way of life, you knew for a good portion of your life? You have paid by making a moral stand with your children not talking to you? My focus, emphasis is to bring awareness to a set of people wh are "good people who left for moral reasons", not the exJWs who leave and bash for doing wrong things Biblically speaking.

ExJWs are unfairly labled "aposates" instead of "dissidents" or "whistle-blowers" who desire change and cleaning up doctrine back to our roots of early Christian thinking. It's hard for me to take anyone serious who preaches "I am looking for Truth so I am leaving the Organization on a moral basis" when I know they are a thief (stealing the friends money from bank accounts, forgery), abusive to their spouse (beating, cheating, willfully-non supporting") or some other bad person who practices wickedness but claims "I am leaving to draw close to God!". Bad people "apostates who are wicked" bring about reproach against our JWN Community, if we can bring forward the merits of men like Ray Franz, Ed Dunlap and you yourself, we can sting them where it hurts!

Thank you for quickly replying to my post, if you have read many of my "OP"s or comments to various "threads" I am clear about this subject, that "what I have read shows Ray Franz never spoke ill of his fellow Jehovah Witnesses or bashed the "Watchtower". In fact he defend's the various men who treated him wickedly, doingthe exact opposite they (Governing Body and their propaganda machine) are known to have done (Rutherford and Laywer Miles, Miller or Moyle Case).

I want to pick the brains of members of JWN who have the long-time life experiences, members like o"Mouthy", "Blondie", "Terry", "Dog-Patch", "James Wood" because we are loosing contact with people who know the truth about Brother and Sister Franz, Brother and Sister Dunlap (thanks to James Wood, I know a little history about Brother Dunlap, I wish I could have met these brave men.). JWN has a community where people can bring different ideas of any topic, a forum "lurkers" and "newbies" can discover the truth about courageous men who lived strong morals lives after they left the Organization.

Mouthy, we have to start threads in this manner to combat the lies that abound in "JW-Land", that "Ray Franz was a bitter apostate who went mental!" "Ray Franz ran off from his wife, and she forgave him(A bethelite told me this Whooper!). As I study more information about the "Franz Couple", Ray get's angry when ex-Jehovah Witnesses are lying pubically, either on print or Tv and church-tour information gatherings. My heart has grown attached to a man I never met, and I enjoy reading the writings brother Franz, he seems like a good man!

Please be patient with me as I collect information to write about Brother Franz, Cynthia, Brother Dunlap and his wife. I wish we had friends who knew the Spanish Couple the Organization kicked out for no good reason! Thank you brothers and sisters for helping me create this thread for posterity, and my children too.

@blondie, did you ever write for the Organization (Watchtower or Awake magazines), I love your writing skills and humor with my Sunday study edition you provide on JWN.

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Jehovah's Witnesses dismayed by new magazine format from Watchtower Society.

by Balaamsass in

jw
friends

wow.

i was surprised this week by calls from active jws complaining about the new magazine format, and more begging for money from the platform.. frankly i was surprized by this reaction since this is old news to jwn members.

i guess actually shuffling to the bookroom and grabbing the new "awake tracts" minus the inside cover forward ...awakened many sleepy, catatonic, bored jws who never read the things or go on the internet anyway.. any feedback from other areas?.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

I am dismayed at their "new light" and telling us all "we don't have the free gift of Jesus Christ", or "Jesus did not die for us", those issues truly trouble my heart. Soon the Watchtower and Awake is going to be put outside 7/11s on a little "Free Magazine Rack" 6x6 inch free magazines with advertisements from local JW businesses to support circulation.

When does the light turn on inside a person's mind, watching the Society "down-size" opperations, shrink the spiritual meals to nothing and still believe "We are receiving the greatest, largest portions of spiritual food ever!" When do people sit back and ask, "Is this really so?" I think people are asking more questions, they are just afraid of loosing their family and friends "Forced Conversion", "Forced Growth", "Mandatory beliefs in crazy ideas are you get disfellowshiped! Enough of my rantings.

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Why do people proudly say they belong to Jesus ?

by mP in

i know what the statement means im just baffled why anyone would select words like "belong" or a that they are a "servant" of jesus ?.

i mean ive never heard anybody say they belong to their parents or their spouse, so why are they property of jesus as in servitude ?

why would anyon e then go about making boastful pronoucnements about how great jesus is after he requires total servitude ?

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Mp, the burden of proof is on you to discredit what almost "Two Thousand Church Years" have accepted, that Paul wrote Romans. Now, what new evidence do you present to back up this rather giant claim? You said "Paul did not write the book of Romans", so please do inform who did and what you base your premise and conclusion on?

Can you prove Paul did not know Jesus, his meeting Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus, Holy Spirit inspiriation to preach in some cities, but to avoid others, tells me he did know Jesus Christ from the "spirit realm".

To accept your arguments, I can't put faith in what you say, I need evidence Jesus was not born of a "virgin". I need evidence God does not exist, can you prove of "double negative" too?

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Did Ray Franz Go On The "Talk Show", "Radio Show", "Church Circuit" To Bash WTS?

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

i notice in ray's books he has a disdain for the more vocal dissidents of the watchtower organization.

with this being said, did ray franz go on shows like merv griffen, oprah and other "talk mediums" to attack the watchtower society?

i remember as a kid my mother running up and turning off shows apostates were to appear on, and i can't remember if ray was one of the 'bashers'?

ÁrbolesdeArabia

I notice in Ray's books he has a disdain for the more vocal dissidents of the Watchtower Organization.

With this being said, did Ray Franz go on shows like Merv Griffen, Oprah and other "Talk Mediums" to attack the Watchtower Society? I remember as a kid my mother running up and turning off shows Apostates were to appear on, and I can't remember if Ray was one of the 'bashers'?

Dogpatch "Randy" or "Terry" or "James Wood" who have more years than me, might know this answer. If Ray Franz was not on the "Talk Show Circuit", it lends more credibility to his books, as a "man who wanted change, not someone who wanted to bring the Watchtower down to it's knees". Thank you.

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You won't believe what the Jehovah's Witnesses proclaimers book exposes!!!

by EndofMysteries in

it's said that apostates/ex jws are the ones who twist and lie.

what if real strong black and white evidence, undeniable that the wt infact are the ones doing that.

look at the proclaimers book, page 218. they are talking about the june 1st and june 15, 1938 wt.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

@London: I am going to buy "Captives of a Concept" after I finish reading a couple of other books. The Watchtower has never claimed to be honest with their own history, have they?

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When Will The Watchtower Org, Pick Up The Tab For Traveling Overseers Apartments?

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

we have a tiny apartment attached to our kingdom hall, a retired "traveling couple" now lives in.

the society did not pay for the materials, labor or fees to build their little home they appreciate.

you all should see how happy, "all smiles :)" this old couple is, to have a home after forty years on the road.. .

ÁrbolesdeArabia

We have a tiny apartment attached to our Kingdom Hall, a retired "traveling couple" now lives in. The Society did not pay for the materials, labor or fees to build their little home they appreciate. You all should see how happy, "all smiles :)" this old couple is, to have a home after forty years on the road.

There is no small amount of "overseers" who are looking to come off the road, but their plight is large, because there is not enough money from the Organization to pay for their "homes until the Great Tribulation frees up the local neighboors homes", so what is going to happen to all these old brothers and sisters looking to leave after decades on the road?

I am happy to see anyone get a home who has lived in a trailer, or little local apartment, driving forty to fifty miles some days, each way. What don't the Watchtower use some of their assets from real-estate and buy up massive amounts of "prefabricated homes" and mobile home parks up? Take care of their brothers instead of making the "step-children", "other sheep" or rank-and-file pick up the whole tab?

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