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  Thought Control (A simple test for JW's)

  by TD in

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  in george orwell's novel 'nineteen eighty-four' the capitulation of the principal protagonist is portrayed in his willingness to assent to the proposition that two and two make five.

  once he had denied objective reality, his mental conquest was complete and he was no longer truly the master of his own mind.

  nineteen eighty-four is in many ways, a very depressing read.. a charge commonly leveled at jehovah's witnesses is that the type of mind control envisioned by orwell has been and continues to be used on them.

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  Marked, excellent OP
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  Anyone noticed a curiosity on the Memorial Invitation for 2013 ?

  by EdenOne in

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  i can't scan the memorial invitation for 2013, but i was looking at it today and noticed something curious on the front drawing.. we have jesus as the central figure of the composition.

  to his right and bottom, a large crown, in colour, of shiny happy people of diverse origins.. separated from this by the figure of jesus, is another group, a much smaller one, on the left and as if ascending to the top, and grayed.. clearly portrayed in this group is the face of ct russell and apparently william tyndale.

  but then, also sarah and abraham and other personalities of the ot seem to be represented there.

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  Typical WBTS false gospel and subliminal messages to rebuild the wall that Christ's work demolished, so any who desire new life and power for living, can have access to the ONE SPIRIT through HIM.

  But now in Christ Jesus you [Gentiles] who once were far off have been brought near in the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby bringing the hostility to an end. And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near; for through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. {Eph 2:13-18 RSV}
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  Former Jehovah's Witnesses, will Jesus destroy all JW's when he comes to the Earth?

  by Change Name in

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  what do you believe happens when one of jehovah's witnesses dies?

  do they go to hell?.

  if you do not respond, does it mean that you are only looking to discredit and bash the jw's?.

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  Hi changed name again

  *** You must be a Christian in order "to be saved**** WRONG

  you must be a Christian "Anointed" to have the gift of Christ's Eternal Life dwelling within you in this present life. 1 John 5:11-13, which is denied to the majority of the WBTS membership.

  ***this Christianity work together in unity to move forward with the message about the kingdom of God. ***

  If this "Christianity" works in a forced UNIFORMITY with a DIFFERENT message then its NOT the KOG, but a man made theoracy like the RCC. Galatians 1:6-9, there is no moving forward on the message of the gospel, that's at best "running ahead" and at worse a "false and different gospel"
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  Former Jehovah's Witnesses, will Jesus destroy all JW's when he comes to the Earth?

  by Change Name in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what do you believe happens when one of jehovah's witnesses dies?

  do they go to hell?.

  if you do not respond, does it mean that you are only looking to discredit and bash the jw's?.

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  *** What do you believe happens when one of Jehovah's Witnesses dies? Do they go to hell?***

  ****Hi Pterist - It does not really matter what I believe. My question asks what you believe.***

  Hi Change Name, :)

  Ok, I will try to answer your questions:

  Well, I see three issues here, 1. is a label on a person as a JW, 2. the condition of a JW any person, after death, and 3. will a JW any person, go to hell, implying a final Judgement.

  1. I don't believe Jehovah deals with people as belonging to an exclusive group, denomination or label. It is true Jehovah dealt with Israel under the old covenant as A NATION, however as Eziekel foretold at 18:20 "a PERSONAL responsibility" Romans 14:12, Jehovah holds the whole WORLD, individually accountable to him. Romans 2:6-16

  2. The condition of a person who belongs to the WBTS religion after death: If he or she is born of Gods Spirit and was sanctified in this life They will be transferred to eternal/immortal conditions, as specified in his eternal plan before the creation Ephesians 1:5, revelation 20:1-6...

  If they were fleshly, in their original Adamic nature, they will sleep until final judgement by Jesus, at the end of this gospel age, Revelation 20:11-15

  3. The eternal Judgment: NOBODY has the authority to make this judgement on someone else. That privilege was earned by Jesus as he overcame sin, satan and death. (We may be corrected about our ungodly life style based on in a true spirit of love and the law of Christ) however, There is no church, religion, group of men that has this authority only Christ. James 2:12, 4:11-12...

  Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.John5

  And now, why don't you answer the same question about me, I left the WBTS, because their foundation of authority was/is based on dates proved to be incorrect and the few good doctrines that they have, were NOT exclusive to them but came from the Adventist movement. I try To live a Godly life in his strength and rely on the free gift of righteousness, not my own to worship in Spirit and Truth. Romans 5:16, 10:3

  Shalom
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  Rumor : Elders' meeting about pedophilia issues

  by yalbmert99 in

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  hi everyone, there is a rumor on a french speaking forum saying that the elders were to assist to a 9 h meeting,yesterday or today depending on availability, about pedophilia exclusively.

  meeting directed by an circuit overseer.

  more infos to come.

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  Marked
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  How many are happy Not to go d2d this Sunday morning?

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

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  it is midnight here in the north pacific.

  but for you in france and germany, it is 9 am.

  doesn't it feel great to do something else, anything else, then knock, knock, knocking on peoples doors?.

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  Greetings, it's a cold but Sunny day here in Florida 2pm. Just enjoyed earlier this morning, a Christian comedian at a local Fellowship hall in a Baptist church, no dress code, special grooming, very normal and real people rather than an enforced unnatural sterilized atmosphere at the local KH.

  Shalom
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  To those still "in"... how do these scriptures impact you?

  by leaving_quietly in

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  matt 7:13, 14: "go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14?whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.".

  matt 24:44: "on this account you too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that you do not think to be it, the son of man is coming.".

  2 pet 3:3, 4: "for you know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires 4?and saying: where is this promised presence of his?

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  No I'm not for the following reasons.

  1. Matt 7:13, 14?.....Look at the big picture, revelation talks about a limited number of "first fruits" and a UNLIMITED Great Crowd. Galatians 4:27 states that the children based on the promise "By Faith" would be greater than fleshly Israel, how big is Fleshly Israel ? ....Cults will use this scripture to hold you to a church, or a denomination or a specific group, the narrow door is Christ and the eternal Life that HE alone has to share.

  2. Matt 24:44...Being Spiritually awake has NOTHING to do with chronology or escathology, it has EVERYTHING to do with living a righteous life in Christ. Galatians 5...not living in darkness, but living in the light...works of flesh, versus fruits of the spirit.

  3. 2 Pet 3:3, 4.....It's been over 2000 years, it will happen in Gods time, however, we need to do what Perer recommended in the same letter, lead a righteous life in Christ here and now, as we await. balance is required not frantic Date setting.

  Shalom
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  Former Jehovah's Witnesses, will Jesus destroy all JW's when he comes to the Earth?

  by Change Name in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what do you believe happens when one of jehovah's witnesses dies?

  do they go to hell?.

  if you do not respond, does it mean that you are only looking to discredit and bash the jw's?.

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  Change name **** What do you believe happens when one of Jehovah's Witnesses dies? Do they go to hell?****

  Hi Change Name, Do you think all Christians believe that "hell" is like Dante's Inferno ?, do you know where C.T. Russell got his understanding from on the subject of hell ?
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  greatest show on earth

  by unstopableravens in

  1. watchtower
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  i wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.

  to be honest my mind has been on my family.

  i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.

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  *** The only version that survives the evidence would be a strictly defined theistic evolution, of the sort that Francis Collins and Kenneth Miller teach.... This raises a lot of other difficult questions but at least its consistent with the facts.****

  I admire your in depth knowledge on your subject, and your honest and fair comment above.
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  greatest show on earth

  by unstopableravens in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.

  to be honest my mind has been on my family.

  i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.

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  Still thinking ...this is how your comment started *** Pterist - Define spiritual values? Do all religions possess these values? How do you feel about those who practice Islam? Hindus? Scientologists?..Cantleave****

  I now see you were addressing Cantleave's question to me and not me directly, I appoligise, my bad.