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  NWT

  by shera in

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  (douglas walsh v. the right honorable james latham clyde, m.p., p.c., etc., scotland, 1954, (1958 ed.).p.88.).

  under oath at a trial in scotland.

  (a): i do not speak hebrew.. .

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  shera

  I am here for fun and friends

  Don't want to debate it,just wanted to resond to someone, here stating the NWT is the best bible translated from the greek scripts.
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  NWT

  by shera in

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  2. bible

  (douglas walsh v. the right honorable james latham clyde, m.p., p.c., etc., scotland, 1954, (1958 ed.).p.88.).

  under oath at a trial in scotland.

  (a): i do not speak hebrew.. .

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  shera

  You may all know this but I copied this from another persons thread on another website about the NWT and the Greek scriptures.

  The men that comprised the Translation Committee were not even Greek scholars qualified to translate the Bible. These men were: N.H. Knorr, F. W. Franz the 4th President, A.D. Schroeder, G.D. Gangas and M. Henschel (write to Personal Freedom Outreach, P.O. Box 26062, St. Louis, Missouri 63136 for paper documentation). All met together in these translation sessions. The translation committee requested that the names of the translators remain secret even after their deaths (Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose, p. 258). Franz was asked in a courtroom in Scotland, "Why the secrecy?" he said, "Because the committee of translation wanted it to remain anonymous and not seek any glory or honour at the making of a translation, and having any names attached thereto." The attorney replied, "Writers of books and translators do not always get glory and honour for their efforts, do they?" (Pursuer's Proof of Douglas Walsh vs. The Right Honourable James Latham, M.P., P.C., Scottish Court of Sessions, p. 92 Nov. 1954). In 1954, in a Scotland trial, Fred Franz, then head of the Watchtower Editorial Board, admitted that he himself was the one who had checked the accuracy of the translation and recommended its publication. (Douglas Walsh v. The Right Honorable James Latham Clyde, M.P., P.C., etc., Scotland, 1954, (1958 ed.).p.88.) The following is from the trial transcript: - (Q): Insofar as translation of the Bible itself is undertaken, are you responsible for that? (A): I have been authorized to examine a translation and determine its accuracy and recommend its acceptance in the form in which it is submitted. Later, Franz was asked about his own involvement in the translating(Douglas Walsh v. The Right Honorable James Latham Clyde, M.P., P.C., etc., Scotland, 1954, (1958 ed.).p.92) (Q) : Were you yourself responsible for the translation of the Old Testament? ( A ) : Again I cannot answer that question... Here, under oath, Franz refused to confirm or deny he was the translator of the Hebrew text. Why wouldn't he say that he did not translate the Old Testament? The court also wondered "why" and asked (ibid) (Q): Why the secrecy? (A): Because the committee of translation wanted it to remain anonymous and not seek any glory or honour at the making of a translation, and having any names attached thereto.

  
  
  
  

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  	Why is it the writers of the New Testament books identified their authorship by their names, we know they were not seeking honor. The facts speak for themselves. The real reason would be that the translators could not be checked since they had no qualifications and anyone investigating this could not find anyone to assume responsibility for the translation. A shrewd plan indeed. According to Raymond Franz, only Fred Franz had "sufficient knowledge of the Bible languages to attempt translation of this kind. He had studied Greek for two years in the University of Cincinnati but was only self taught In Hebrew." Raymond Franz, Crisis of Conscience (Atlanta: Commentary Press, 1983), 50 Not one of the men had ever studied Greek, and wouldn't know the difference between an alpha or a omega. Only three of the five had even finished high school. Of those three only one went on to College. His name was Fredrick Franz, the same man who became the President of the Jehovah's Witnesses. He did begin at the University of Cincinatti but only completed two years. He then dropped out of College after the first semester in 1913 because he believed what Russell told him, that Christ was returning in 1914. He does not have even the most basic college degree, and certainly does not possess a degree for advanced study of the Bible. In fact, outside of the Watchtower circle Franz is not recognized by anyone as a scholar. As M. James Penton, a former Jehovah's Witness and historian, has written, "to all intents and purposes the New World Translation is the work of one man-Frederick Franz." M. James Penton, Apocalypse Delayed: The Story of Jehovah's Witnesses (Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1985), 174. The men who make up the "translation committee" were self-appointed men lacking any adequate schooling or background in biblical languages unable to function as Bible Translators. Their purpose was not to translate the Scripture into a modern version of the Bible but to justify their theology to their people and have ammunition against Christianity as it is practiced today. The New World Translation is a fabrication with no scholarship involved. It was specifically created to make the Bible agree their preconceived theology. It was made for their people to believe WT doctrine and uphold their false belief that Jesus is Michael the Archangel not God.

  
  
  
  

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  	Today many Witnesses claimed that Franz was a Rhodes Scholar and a scholar of Hebrew and Greek. The Rhodes Scholarship Trust (Wesleyan University, Middletown, Conn. 06457) stated that Franz was never considered for a Rhodes Scholarship; similarly a Scottish Court of Sessions of Nov. 1954, pp. 102, 103, in which Franz himself testified, made it clear that Franz could not read, speak nor translate the Hebrew language. Under oath at a trial in Scotland As a Bible scholar Franz would have to know the Hebrew Language. Mr. MacMillan, a former leader of the Jehovah's Witnesses, said, "He is also a scholar of Hebrew..."(FAITH ON THE MARCH, 1957, p. 182.) Mr. Franz, under oath in a trial in Scotland, was asked: (Walsh Trial, P. 7). Scottish Court of Sessions in November, 1954. (Q): I think you are able to read and follow the Bible in Hebrew .... (A). Yes. The next day, he was put to the test. Could he really follow the Bible in Hebrew? Franz was asked to translate a simple Bible text at Genesis 2:4:6 (Q): I think we come to the name Jehovah in the forth verse, don't we, of the second chapter of Genesis ... [page 34] (A). Yes. (Q): You, yourself, read and speak Hebrew, do you? (Remember, Franz had admitted to this the previous day) (A): I do not speak Hebrew. (The examiner was surprised to hear this) (Q): You do not! (A). No. Q): Can you, yourself, translate that into Hebrew? (A): Which? (Q): That fourth verse of the second chapter of Genesis? (A): You mean here? (Q). Yes? (A): No, I won't attempt to do that. What Franz "wouldn't attempt" to translate into Hebrew is what many have said as a simple exercise an average first or second-year Hebrew student in seminary would be able to do. Franz could neither speak Hebrew nor translate the English to Hebrew. The President of the Watchtower allowed Jehovah's Witnesses to believe he is a Bible scholar having an education in Biblical languages. The facts show otherwise. He is not a scholar. In fact, there is not one Bible scholar among the Watchtower leaders. There couldnt be one in good conscience because of their theology and what they have done in their translation.

  Here is another link http://www.letusreason.org/JW38.htm
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  The only reason I'm glad

  by shera in

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  the only reason i'm glad i became a jw is(and left)........ i have met many kind people here on these boards.. shera's sappy moment.... .

  take care all

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  Thanks Robdar I'm happy to be here.
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  The only reason I'm glad

  by shera in

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  the only reason i'm glad i became a jw is(and left)........ i have met many kind people here on these boards.. shera's sappy moment.... .

  take care all

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  shera

  The only reason I'm glad I became a Jw is(and left)........ I have met many kind people here on these boards.

  Shera's sappy moment....

  Take care all
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  Brain Freeze Fluff

  by RubyTuesday in

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  whats your favorite flavor and brand?

  mine is chocolate haagan daz.

  edited by - rubytuesday on 21 november 2002 22:17:44.

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  shera

  Heavenly hash....and cotton candy.
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  Did you know??

  by fulano in

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  the gb-laundry has to be washed seperately?

  missionaries get a annual total-control visit (what do you do with the $$$) from the branch?

  a yearly keep-up-the-good-work speach from the gb?

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  shera

  LOL

  OOPPSS.. G-U-M-B-Y...
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  Did you know??

  by fulano in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the gb-laundry has to be washed seperately?

  missionaries get a annual total-control visit (what do you do with the $$$) from the branch?

  a yearly keep-up-the-good-work speach from the gb?

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  shera

  Hehehe,you have a wonderful sense of humor Grumby.
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  Xmas xchange present(s) arrived safely........

  by scootergirl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have already gotten an email from someone stating that their gift arrived safely in the mail.

  i thought it would be nice to start a thread where we can post what we got (for those nosey like me who want to know!

  ) and a thank you.. as for me, i haven't even begun yet!

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  shera

  LOL,I used to do the same thing...kind of ruined it for myself tho,knew just about everything she bought me.
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  Did you know??

  by fulano in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the gb-laundry has to be washed seperately?

  missionaries get a annual total-control visit (what do you do with the $$$) from the branch?

  a yearly keep-up-the-good-work speach from the gb?

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  shera

  The GB-laundry has to be washed seperately?

  That is really pathetic ...LOL

  I have to know,where did you get that info?
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  Everyone please read.

  by Monster in

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  2. friends

  hey everyone watch friendly terror tonight on court tv.

  (the system 10pm) this is a typical example of persons you would never think could hurt a child.

  warning!

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  shera

  Hi,I don't get that channel....

  I'm fine and glad to hear your nite is going ok