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  Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

  by redsetter2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

  there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

  to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

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  redsetter2

  Ron,

  I wouldn't know as I don't have time to traverse multiple platforms of social media.

  When we chatted we were under better circumstances. Now everything appears to be a "witch hunt", regretfully.

  Regards.
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  Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

  by redsetter2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

  there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

  to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

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  redsetter2

  grreatteacher

  The balanced way of looking at things would be to think this: Trust no one unless proven otherwise.
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  Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

  by redsetter2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

  there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

  to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

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  redsetter2

  Ron,

  You only joined this forum 10 days ago (2 days after my 10 year plan post) and you posted just 6 times on here, I decided to look at your history. AND AND AND... your posts were all directed towards me. Why? This is extremely sad. And pretty stupid and pathetic.

  Oh my, I can't believe this, talk about getting attention!

  You didn't have an account here before. You were on Reddit? Once you realised this discussion was created on here you intentionally brought your ass onto this forum to discredit me for no real reason because you absolutely don't trust anyone. Well Ron, let me tell you something, you got your few days of fame here. Run back to Reddit and AVOIDJW and never return 😂
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  Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

  by redsetter2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

  there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

  to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

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  redsetter2

  I've been given access to messages he exchanged with a fellow exJW activist over the past year. The picture is so much clearer now!

  
  

  This sounds like something a hardcore PIMI elder would do. Not only is that an invasion of privacy, messages don't paint a picture of what people are really like.
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  Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

  by redsetter2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

  there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

  to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

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  redsetter2

  Ron,

  The original redsetter2 on Reddit was caught and exposed after nextgenwatchtower24 was discovered. The Watchtower Organization caught the individual claiming to be the responsible brother in private and he received a private slap on the wrist. Do you know why? He was on Legal. And he's still working for them. This person was a close companion of the individual whose identity was stolen. It was done haphazardly to get in touch with the exjw community. I am working with the original redsetter2 as a "ghost writer". Everything I am writing is from the same source. And I want to say, wow I'm surprised WHQ didn't let you get through! I wonder why? Bethel knew people were interested in the identity of resetter2 and the higher ups there were not going to let pass a good opportunity for exposure, in fact they have been waiting for a call!
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  The "10 Year Plan" - What is the realistic outcome?

  by redsetter2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as there has been some discussion calling bs on this topic, .

  i will paste the text from my 10 year plan post and i will critically evaluate how i feel things will turn out.

  i will add bold italics my thoughts.. the governing body has a 10-year marketing plan to remodel the organization to become closer to a mainstream christian religion.

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  redsetter2

  As there has been some discussion calling BS on this topic,

  I will paste the text from my 10 Year Plan post and I will critically evaluate how I feel things will turn out. I will add bold italics my thoughts.

  The Governing Body has a 10-year marketing plan to remodel the Organization to become closer to a mainstream Christian religion.

  This "plan" has not been initiated by the Governing Body, it has been provided to them as a recommendation by the Legal department, Service Committee, Teaching and Writing Committees. These offices are working together to legislate new policies, both doctrinal and Organizational. I feel that the 10 year plan is a phrase I chose as the actual words were "within the next 10 years we expect to see changes such as..."

  See what a little phrase I coined can cause a rumble? However it is truly a "10 year plan".

  Standards / Bible principles

  Over the next few months and years, there will be more clarification on "conscience matters".

  The Governing Body certainly wishes to let JWs make their own mature decisions, they are tired of the constant letters pouring in asking them their viewpoint on certain matters.

  JWs will in time, be allowed by conscience to wear tattoos or piercings, as long as they do not reflect "extremes" in the world or identify them with the LGBTQ community.

  I do not think that this will ever be openly revealed if ever adopted, perhaps it will be added to future updates of the Shepherding textbook.

  Smoking tobacco and marijuana as well as taking of drugs will still be strongly discouraged, however they will no longer be considered disfellowshipping offences and in most cases reproval will be the goal of judicial committees in these areas.

  Definitely an unusual move if it did happen, I would be surprised because the smoking of tobacco policy which was introduced in the 1970s literally automatically disfellowshipped many JWs within months if they refused to change, so how would such ones feel now? Undoubtedly angry!

  In time, birthdays will be permissable under certain circumstances if the conscience allows. Weddings to non witnesses will also be no longer "frowned upon", as the suggestion will be given that a Christian woman by union with a respectable man may "win him over" to the "truth".

  I don't actually see this ever taking effect. Even the current Governing Body are reluctant to change their stance on worldly holidays. However, anything is possible. The Governing Body's change of feelings towards the beard policy changed overnight.

  Also, the Governing Body will issue a statement that different forms of sex within marriage (such as oral and anal) are now permissable, as long as a married couple does not openly talk about sex otherwise they will be counselled by the elders.

  This type of change would only appear in the Shepherding textbook and I can see it happening.

  Additionally, private consensual intimacy and sex between adults of the opposite sex will be a conscience matter, as long as vaginal sex and pregnancy is not involved and as long as the activities are not broadcast openly to other members of the congregation. If a married person is involved, they must receive permission from their spouse and then respect their mate's decision if they refuse to permit it, otherwise a judicial committee will be formed and repeated attempts will be made to help that one gain "repentance".

  This is referring to forms of intimacy no longer being seen as disfellowshipping offences, however they would merit a caution and certain brothers would have any privileges removed (or delayed) if they were known to be engaged in such practices. I can see this happening, but it will never be publicly revealed to the rank and file, it will only be in the Shepherding textbook.

  Chaperones will no longer be advised for courting couples, and matters of intimacy between them, including kissing, are no longer discouraged, as long as no vaginal intercourse is involved, which would result in disfellowshipping if the woman is discovered to be pregnant.

  This will also most likely happen and will only appear in a future update of the Shepherding Textbook, with all mention of chaperones disappearing from future publications.

  
  

  Blood transfusions will not be considered a conscience matter, in fact it will be back to how it used to be, instead they will reverse their opinions on using transfusion alternatives with blood fractions.

  A legal ploy, to further "prove" to governments that JWs refusal of blood is for personal religious reasons and not endorsed by the Organization. This has been gradually taking effect and will eventually be a part of a future update in the Shepherding textbook.

  Doctrines

  The Faithful Slave will soon refer to all Christians "taking the lead" in the Organization, not referring to solely anointed Christians. The Evil Slave may refer to the Governing Body of today in the event legal issues cause them to completely disband. Otherwise, the evil slave will simply refer to wicked men who manage to take the lead in Jehovah's Organization today.

  I can see this happening.

  
  

  The Revelation prophecies and Isaiah and Daniel prophecies will be completely rebranded and diluted to refer to more "faith strengthening" lessons on how Jehovah would help his people during the Last Days and into the 1000 year reign of Christ.

  This study project is happening as we speak.

  
  

  The memorial of Christ's death will no longer be observed by all of Jehovah's Witnesses, only the "anointed".

  This was a passing comment, I don't believe the Governing Body liked that recommendation.

  
  

  Christmas, Easter, Halloween, and the like will still be rejected however more clarification will be given that a Christian can choose to join non witness relatives on their holiday celebrations with an opportunity to "give an alternative witness" to them by non participation in holiday rituals.

  This is an unusual way of approaching the holidays, I don't believe this will ever happen, however the Governing Body strangely put that on the table for a future discussion to understand more what the recommendation entails.

  The New World Translation will be revised again by 2033.

  My lips are sealed!

  The Song Book will again be revised by 2033.

  Again, my lips are sealed!

  No more new printed publications will be produced after 2034, everything will be made available online. JWs will instead have the NWT, the Song Book, Midweek and weekend meeting schedules, and a set number of pamphlets. The public magazines will no longer be published after 2033. From 2034 onwards, the Watchtower Study Edition will be larger, with more supplementary articles for children, adolescents, and non JWs reading along at the meetings.

  This will certainly happen, the JW organization are making cutbacks and doing everything they can to survive into a new era with a younger generation of JWs who aren't remotely spiritual to say the least.

  The 1914 doctrine will be abandoned last.

  I do not accept the recent rumors about 1914 on Reddit, and the Governing Body has simply said as this doctrine was influenced by a type and antitype approach, they will eventually stop using the calculation they devised leading to the year 1914, the only difference will be is that they will continue saying the last days began in the early 1900s, to cover a wider period without being overly specific. They know so many hardcore JWs will not readily accept this change so they're willing to wait out the next 10 years to introduce it as more of the older generation dies off.

  
  

  Meetings, Assemblies, Conventions

  Over the next 10 years, the Conventions will include 2 new episodes of the Good News According to Jesus, after which in 2034 there will be a feature length film based on the entire book of Acts. After that feature length film, the JWs will have hoped to have become closer to "first century Christianity", even though they make this claim already.

  This will all most certainly happen and I find this all intriguing!

  After 2034, there is supposedly be no more conventions or assemblies planned, and congregations will be remarketed for local meetings redesigned in a similar way as the original Bible Students group. The name "Jehovah's Witnesses" will no longer be designated beyond 2034, however I am not aware of what the "new name" will be.

  I am absolutely certain that assemblies and conventions in person will be done away with eventually, but where will the Organization generate income then? I am speculating that JWs will replace conventions with their massive studios like Ramapo which will somehow generate extra pocket money through online marketing. I can safely assume that this is their best option as the cost of living continues to increase.

  The weekend meetings in time will be shortened, still with a public talk (always with one or 2 videos) and a 10-12 paragraph Bible Discussion based on an article in the Watchtower study edition. Some weeks will focus on a study article, other weeks will focus on age specific topics or topics for the public. The Watchtower study edition will completely change and become the only magazine produced for the Organization, and it will include inside the midweek meeting schedule which will also be revised to a more simple format.

  I welcome this change. Whether it will come to fruition is yet to be seen.

  
  

  Ministry

  The necessity for Territory Servants will be gone, and maps for door to door ministry will end within the next few years. It will depend upon the conscience of each Christian taking the lead in ministry groups which street to cover and how many houses they will work. Additionally, informal witnessing at the workplace or other places will be strongly encouraged. Public Witnessing carts will also come to their end by 2034.

  This idea is very unusual and I don't think it would work logistically. Many of us at WHQ rejected the idea, although it was put on the table to discuss at a future date.

  
  

  Oversight:

  In the next few years these changes may take place.

  Bodies of Elders will be reviewed periodically by Circuit Overseers. The CO will have to power to remove any elder who doesn't meet Bible standards. Elders will no longer meet for the "quarterly" to recommend appointments, rather Circuit Overseers will recommend the appointments to the elder bodies. If the elder bodies have a disagreement over an appointment, they can discuss this with the CO. Only if the person concerned is engaged in questionable activities, then a CO may retract his suggestion and offer advice personally to the individual who was considered for appointment. However, most brothers will now be considered for being appointed as elders or ministerial servants, regardless of their personalities. The only reasons why they would not be considered are for: severe mental issues or promoting a superior or disagreeing attitude. If this method works, Circuit Overseers will carry on indefinitely, with no change once in every 3 years. The term "travelling overseers" will no longer apply to them.

  This will certainly eventually take place but it will take time and extra resources to initiate this new method. It may take a few years to come together.

  
  

  What I can say from all of this is that whilst I have made my personal thoughts in the bold known, I encourage everyone here to take it all with a grain of salt. In October at the next annual meeting, one or 2 of the things mentioned here will be made known then. For now, there are no more "leaks", of which these are very difficult to make known to outsiders, those not at Bethel. I can't add to or take away more from what I've already collected together. All I can say is this, the Organization is in trouble and it will come crashing down if it doesn't make more drastic changes.
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  Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

  by redsetter2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

  there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

  to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

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  redsetter2

  RonPOMO

  I will begin by saying that you do not have all the facts. You read my messages, string them together and put together an image of who I may purport to be in an aggressive fashion, but can you really decipher my personality, who I really am, just from my messages?

  Let me turn it around to you. Can I decipher who you are simply from your more critical messages towards me? No. I'm sure that you are a really nice guy, if you are a male Ron! What I'm trying to illustrate from this is that you cannot judge someone simply from your intuition of accounts online. I myself have read into things incorrectly, and I have replied in a passive aggressive fashion, then I realise that I missed out a sentence or I read something in a slightly different way from how it was meant to be said. It's human, I don't disregard this, to be completely honest with you I probably would react the same way as you would. However after hearing a message like this, I would hope to rethink everything I said. I'm not seeking attention. With regards my identification, I told you and MissUsato to call Bethel with the instructions I gave you, and this never happened. This was your obligation, and you absolutely failed. AvoidJW should not be viewed as a credible source for exjws, because like I said, now this doesn't undermine your cause, but I must say that undercover Bethel spies do infiltrate sites like this. How am I to know that you or MissUsato are not simply spies for bethel? Of course, I'm sure you're not. But using that argumentation, it helps me assess the matter in a more logical and balanced way rather than jumping to conclusions.

  I can pull together the emails and paste them onto this site, but I don't think that's necessary because I don't believe in responding aggressively to a situation like this.

  This is why I'm calling on all exjws to wait until October. If I'm a "false prophet" then you would know. But really, there's no point to me hiding behind a screen spouting falsehoods if that is what you purport me to be. If I have been doing this, there really is no point to me being here. I came here for a reason, to spread truth, not lies.

  Also, commenting on what you mentioned regarding EXJW communities being full of JW spies, I can say without doubt that yes, they are full of spies, especially on Reddit. Why do you think there's an influx of "PIMO" JWs and active elders on there bringing their grievances? I received private messages from active JWs who believed in being a JW, but they trusted neither the Governing Body nor the exjw community in general. I'm sorry to say that factions like this do exist and I gave them my heartfelt sympathy, as they allow themselves to be trapped. I liked chatting with these genuine truth seekers, but my heart goes out to them and I hope they have the strength to leave when they can.
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  Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

  by redsetter2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

  there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

  to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

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  redsetter2

  The following is an excerpt from one of Aesop's Fables.

  The Boy who cried "wolf"!

  There once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep. To amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "Wolf! Wolf! The Wolf is chasing the sheep!"

  The villagers came running up the hill to help the boy drive the wolf away. But when they arrived at the top of the hill, they found no wolf. The boy laughed at the sight of their angry faces.

  "Don't cry 'wolf', shepherd boy," said the villagers, "when there's no wolf!" They went grumbling back down the hill.

  Later, the boy sang out again, "Wolf! Wolf! The wolf is chasing the sheep!" To his naughty delight, he watched the villagers run up the hill to help him drive the wolf away.

  When the villagers saw no wolf they sternly said, "Save your frightened song for when there is really something wrong! Don't cry 'wolf' when there is NO wolf!"

  But the boy just grinned and watched them go grumbling down the hill once more.

  Later, he saw a REAL wolf prowling about his flock. Alarmed, he leaped to his feet and sang out as loudly as he could, "Wolf! Wolf!"

  But the villagers thought he was trying to fool them again, and so they didn't come.

  At sunset, everyone wondered why the shepherd boy hadn't returned to the village with their sheep. They went up the hill to find the boy. They found him weeping.

  "There really was a wolf here! The flock has scattered! I cried out, "Wolf!" Why didn't you come?"

  An old man tried to comfort the boy as they walked back to the village.

  "We'll help you look for the lost sheep in the morning," he said, putting his arm around the youth, "Nobody believes a liar...even when he is telling the truth!"

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  The moral of the story is that lying gets you nowhere because people won't believe you if you even begin to tell the truth.

  Would you say that you are an honest exjw? I hope so. But we can't trust everyone, and at the same time we cannot distrust everyone.

  That "spiritual" elder, you know, the one who appears to do everything by the book and always gets his way, you know him? He may be watching porn regularly, or looking at apostate websites. Now the GB cannot regulate this, but it is true: elders are not allowed to watch any porn (regardless of how things are worded in the Shepherding textbook) nor are they permitted to read "apostate" information from exjws. This is only reserved for a strict few amongst Bethelites who form committees to investigate matters, often from the PID department.

  So if you know an elder who has read apostate information from any exjw sites, then you can report him to his elder body. See what power you can have over these dispensable men.

  On the other hand, the biggest scandal recently I have observed is that one person after another has risen up to claim that they have inside information that they are leaking. I want to reveal the following caution and information.

  BEWARE OF LEAKERS

  The regular Jehovah's Witnesses will vehemently deny that this is a thing, however the PID department from World Headquarters does use "fake leakers" under various pseudonyms, primarily on Reddit and some other sites. The Watchtower Organization also views all websites not connected with JW.ORG as potentially apostate sites, including the infamous JW community site JWTALK.

  These leakers may follow through all the methods of the KGB and Gestapo to get what they need. They may give subtle hints, knowing that changes will in fact happen within the Org.

  The Instagram account JW Barbas was originally planted by a Bethelite for a few years leading up to the policy change on beard wearing for Jehovah's Witness men. This was done so as to test the waters before a change took place.

  We may wonder what the purpose of this is? There doesn't seem to be an end goal for Watchtower.

  It's all for legal reasons. By engaging with the exjw community privately they deceitfully tell governments that this is one way they do not shun members.

  Additionally, by engaging with exjw communities, JW spies test the waters to see how "unbelieving relatives" are thinking and what they will potentially persecute Jehovah's Witnesses for next. By minimising persecution and legal issues through devious methods such as this, the Watchtower Organization deliberately attempts to keep itself alive when it knows all too well that Watchtower is a machine that will always harm its members.

  All I can say, as dissident, I will resign from Jehovah's Witnesses in the next month for my own security. The "leaks" which I have provided are not a boy "crying wolf", rather I have been surrounded by many cries of wolf by JW spies online attempting to discredit my information and malign the reputation I attempted to gain. Nevertheless, I hold Watchtower fully accountable for their evil and non Christian acts.

  Leaks in general are extremely difficult to come out of Bethel, and I implore everyone to take as a grain of salt even the information I provided, because the GB are always reactionary, nothing is ever set in stone. Hey, this 10 year plan may even be a 5 year plan when I leave. At the end of the day there is no real plan. The Watchtower organization are simply aiming to survive, and they will do whatever it takes to do that, even if it means losing loyal members.

  Over and out

  rs2
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  Will New Rules Bring JWs Together or Pull Them Apart?

  by doinmypart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there's been a lot of discussion about the changes in the org.

  you might think all this would shake things up, especially for the older or super dedicated jws.

  but remember when gb decided all the khs and the bank accounts needed to be transferred/managed from the top?

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  Thomasmore

  I think relaxing of birthday celebrations in October is oddly specific. The GB may mention new light then, but changes usually are effective the week after or into the next year. Wait for the 'Chariot'®!
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  Will New Rules Bring JWs Together or Pull Them Apart?

  by doinmypart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there's been a lot of discussion about the changes in the org.

  you might think all this would shake things up, especially for the older or super dedicated jws.

  but remember when gb decided all the khs and the bank accounts needed to be transferred/managed from the top?

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  redsetter2

  notformer

  They already are a sex cult.

  Just read all the scandals between couples that have come to light on forums like this, as well as the countless horrific CSA cases. Jehovah's Witnesses have an unhealthy obsession with sex and always project this onto "worldly" people, who don't give a damn