Posts by MrRoboto

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Hi, all...I'm a faithful JW who is sick of lies about us

by James Donalds in

i was baptized 30 years ago and have been in the faith for over 35 years.. our organization isn't perfect.

but i'm sick to death of seeing stereotypes about us.

we are not mindless automatons.

MrRoboto

Jimmy D. I think it's great that you are not a mindless automaton!

Just know though that you should be DF for some of those things and you are really in dangerous territory for being here.

I won't address your beliefs here but the highly educated JWsi know personally either were not JWs when they got their education or they were not very good JWs at the time. They may be all gung-ho about things now that they have 6 figure incomes but let's be real, we all know they went Against what the "slave" (or is it slave-master?) said and still says about it.

I'm not judging them though, is good to have some folks that didn't do every single thing the way they were taught. Actually its good for the image of the organization too because some folks will point at you as an example of how normal "those JWs" are when in reality you are an anomaly.

Unfortunately some exjws are a bit over the top, it's true. But Jesus said to live and pray for your enemies. You don't know what they've been through or are going through.

Anyway James, welcome to the board. I think you'll find that most here also look forward to open discussions. Feel free to puruse the older posts for some perspective on things here.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

MrRoboto

Waton- yes more us vs them, exactly what we need - let the name calling begin!

If you are talking about Eratosthenes, his measurements are just measurements. What they mean is a matter of mindset. If you are a rounder, it means the earth is about 250,000 stadia in circumference. Conversely though, to a flat earther, it means that the sun was at a particular distance away from one point that was measured, and a different distance from the other point giving a close sun and flat earth. You can't prove either POV from just the measurements.

Its bad science to draw one conclusion from measurements that have more than one interpretation. Eratosthenes did this. Many today do this but it's still bad science.

Add it to your supporting evidence of you must but it's not proof. Not for either side.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

MrRoboto

P.S.

NASA releases faked imagery from time to time, as do other space agencies. This is simply and easily proven if you take the time to examine official imagery and have a critical eye and open mind to see what your eyes are telling you. That doesn't make it flat or not, doesn't support either position but yes your governments (gasp!) lie to you.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

MrRoboto

Waton- actually that's the kind of misinformation I was referring to. Even if well intentioned, it's wrong. Given sufficient distance on a flat plane, you have the same effect with the horizon. In fact, almost all math works the same when you are just one observer on/near the surface (near meaning not in space)

I'm not a flat earth proponent, as I have mentioned, but bad science doesn't help anyone.

The question is though, who cares? Rounders think Flatters are stupid, Flatters thing Rounders are deceived, but aside from ego issues, who really cares? We navigate by flat earth models on land, sea and air, we build according to flat earth models, and so much more but really if you are not doing that, and the model you use for what you're doing works, what's the difference?

The world could use a little less US vs THEM.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

MrRoboto

Looks like the ocean is starting to spill over the edge! Maybe that's Armageddon coming.

Cofty- I think the cheese moon theory is full of holes. I guess that makes it holy.. but I would be open to trying some of your holy space cheese if there were such a thing. Mmmmm space Swiss Cheese Mmmm

Disclaimer: I don't actually like Swiss cheese

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

MrRoboto

Jrjw, so he's on some kind of mix between JW and flat earthism.. That's a strange mix but stranger things have happened.

I would agree with the idea of lots of stupid YouTube videos out there, lots of misinformation but then you have people like Bill Nye (the science guy) also lying and giving false information as a defense of round earth. It doesn't help things when people on both sides are lying and/or making stuff up. I'm no flat earther or ball earther but you have to admit, we've been been fed round earth since being born, just like many have been fed JW info since the same. You can't prove the shape with just a book, that's someone else's opinion. Its worth doing your own research and experiments. If you can't do that for whatever reason, then use your own eyes and observe the world around you in as many ways as you can, and ponder over what you see. And I'm not talking about the apparent flatness. Look up, down, across, everywhere. Take note. Review "proofs" of the various claims but most importantly, prove it to yourself to whatever extent possible. If you can't prove it, then its just information from outside sources that cannot be confirmed. Seek truth and keep seeking, it will find you and you might be surprised by what you see.

Disclaimer: I do not adhere to nor promote any particular shape for earth. While my views here are irrelevant for this thread, I think it's important for each person to examine thoroughly the evidence for ANY claim in which they find themselves highly interested or controlled by, whether religious, scientific, or otherwise.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

MrRoboto

Flat earth society may just be controlled opposition (look it up) so they have lots of inaccurate information. Alot of stuff that NASA used to teach has been changed too and some of their current stuff is probably wrong. Doesn't mean it's flat or its not.

My suggestion to you is to prove it to yourself, one way or another. Do experiments that prove it. Keep in mind that an earth that was much larger than we're told would have some similar results in some experiments and observations to a flat earth. Lots of nice YouTube vids on the topic, lots of garbage too. This is one of those things that noone can prove to you, you have to see it for yourself.

Question is, does it matter? If so, why?

What if NASA lies about everything, the earth is flat, the sun is close, and the moon too.. Now what?

Ill leave you with a final question that's not about the shape, but about the motion:

Why is there absolutely no way to measure any of the various motions of the earth from the surface, no device whatsoever that we've been able to invent can see the earths motions however a simple gyro can see a airplane or ship in all its various motions, on the surface and above.Einstein recognized this fact, maybe it means something. (and no, the focoult pendulum doesn't show it either)

I'm not a flat earther or large earth proponent. Nor a ball earther.

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Matthew 24:34 not fulfilled in the first century

by Jules Saturn in

i was discussing with an elder the generation teaching and telling him when jesus christ says in matthew 24:34 “truly i say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.” he was referring to the generation from the first century in 33 ad and these events that were to take place took place with the destruction of jerusalem in 70 ad.

now the elder tells me to go back to a few verses to from verses 29-33 which read: .

“immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened,+ and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.+ 30 then the sign of the son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief,+ and they will see the son of man+ coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

MrRoboto

Many line comments but I just want to post something short and to the point.

Luke 21 has a parallel account, at vs 8, Jesus says "Look out that you are not misled, For many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time is near.’ Do not go after them.

Regardless of what the elder said,I hope this makes a glaringly obvious point to anyone who still pays attention to the organization and its teachings.

Also yes, many generations have passed since the 1st century so take that however you want but "this generation" is not ever to come again.

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If your cat catches a mouse, . . .

by compound complex in

take it away, bleed it, give it back.. reading about the gingerbread man reminded me of this:.

how irrational the society could be was experienced by the sister-in-law of ex-bethelite william (bill) cetnar when .... at the suggestion of her veterinarian, she had a blood transfusion given to her poodle to prolong its life.

she couldn't believe bill [cetnar]when he told her that the society would say she had violated god's law.

MrRoboto

I say, if your cat catches a mouse, send it to the Governing Body and ask that they properly drain it for you : )

Oi the petty things they write.. the "we have an answer for everything" attitude - yeah, real humble.

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How many anointed have come and gone; how many remain?

by Moster in

just wondering if there is any data about how many anointed there were in say 1914, and considering most would have passed 'beyond the veil' already, are the jw's numbers adding up?

we know there are more in 2017 then there were in 2016, but just where are we in the grand total column?.

MrRoboto

Would you convert if you had not seen the miracles yourself? Basically you are talking about serious apostasy with potentially death as its outcome, you better be right and if you had not seen people being healed, raised from the dead, feeding of thousands from just a little food etc, then you would be very hesitant to take peoples word for it. Then again, maybe the biblical contradictions put people off.