did anyone else watch the bill nye versus ken ham debate?
it happened february 4, 2014 and just watched it a few months ago.
i thought it was interesting but must confess that i felt extremely embarrassed for ken ham.
for those who missed it:
His religion is called scientism and in scientism all beliefs are beyond question until officially revised. Where have we heard of this type of belief system before? You are free to practice whatever religion you want but be honest and call it what it is.
did anyone else watch the bill nye versus ken ham debate?
it happened february 4, 2014 and just watched it a few months ago.
i thought it was interesting but must confess that i felt extremely embarrassed for ken ham.
Bill Nye is an incredibly honest and open individual. Instead of having a religion where claims are made without evidence...
Are you some sort of Bill Nye support bot or what? Maybe you didn't see my points 1-3 above? Would you like video evidence? If I have the time I will post a link to a fan-boi busting video.
His religion is called scientism and in scientism all beliefs are beyond question until officially revised. Where have we heard of this type of belief system before? You are free to prentice whatever religion you want but be honest and call it what it is.
did anyone else watch the bill nye versus ken ham debate?
it happened february 4, 2014 and just watched it a few months ago.
i thought it was interesting but must confess that i felt extremely embarrassed for ken ham.
Coded logic - I would agree with evidence based intellectual honesty and rigor being something we need but I've seen Bill Nye do otherwise and be intellectually dishonest while at the same time telling a blatant science lie. As I said, I'm not referring to fundamentalist religious ideology.
I would say that Nye would on the surface appear to be more intellectually honest than Ham, but that really is a meaningless distinction when:
1. You are comparing against someone like Ham
2. 'Science' has become your religion
3. You are willing to lie to promote your religion
Aside from that I'm a bit surprised that Nye took on Ham in public but then again you really have to have an inflated ego to do those things, on both sides.
Ham's ark is a joke, too bad a representative of science, if you can call Nye that after his other nonsense, was sucked unto that world and inadvertently helping raise tons of support and money for it.
did anyone else watch the bill nye versus ken ham debate?
it happened february 4, 2014 and just watched it a few months ago.
i thought it was interesting but must confess that i felt extremely embarrassed for ken ham.
Code logic, I'm not a hater but the only reason I don't like Bill Nye is because of his asshattery as specified in my previous comment - that is to say intentional deception and lying. He also has a bad attitude towards people who don't agree with him. Unless you are willing to say that he's just going senile, in which case I feel bad for him.
Its sad to see public science figures lie about science and look down on people who don't agree with everything they say. That's not science, that's cult behavior. Neil does it too. I wonder if Einstein was like that... I doubt it though.
And I'm not talking about pollution or climate change or god etc.
this post is necessarily lengthy, but my hope is that these 14 examples of wtbts dogma will be examined closely by those who either have something to gain by doing so, or those who can provide "new light" for any of the topics.. "however, you may say in your heart: “how will we know that jehovah has not spoken the word?” when the prophet speaks in the name of jehovah and the word is not....true, then jehovah did not speak that word.
you should not fear him.
" [the prophet] (deuteronomy 18:21-22) .
Oh looks like someone took all that "read the bible daily" stuff to heart.
Reminds me of when I was first waking up...
Thanks for sharing!
I wonder what would happen if this were printed up, sans the commentary just so none claims apostate ideas there, and left under each chair at jw meetings.. Or posted on the information board.
i just had a thought of clarity regarding the jw explanation for this doctrine.
they explain that satan challenged god regarding his right to rule.
god failed to prove his right to rule.
Nic. Generally I would agree with your definition if it was culturally relevant but it's not for those here. For those growing up where belief or ideas about deities is rare, sure then the person may never have even thought of a creator or deity in which case their being "without god" would simply be a natural state of being rather than a system of belief or even agnostic.
A lack of belief is not the same as belief of lack. atheist != agnostic.
Your getting upset about what you Believe is a false claim is a good piece of evidence.
Reading your first post on the old thread, I will disagree with your definition for reasons stated above as well as empirical evidence that by and large those identifying as atheists hold the positive belief that god does not exist rather than not holding a positive belief that god exists. And many of those atheists are quite vocal about their positive belief and how stupid religious people are.
Disagree? Tell it to the self proclaimed atheists who give your non positive belief holding self a bad rap then.
I have no stake in it and am emotionally detached from the issue so I'm just calling it as I see it.
Incidentally, there are quite a few good comments in that thread that indicate that your hardline definitions are too restrictive and force people to choose a side that really is not relevant for them nor reflective of their views. I recommend going back and reading them again.
thank you to those that have passed on "leaked" videos.
one point that i have not seen discussed is "why" apostates are getting these videos.. are videos getting out because of a lack of internal controls, or are there more than a few disloyal insiders that are more than happy to pass on inside information.
or, is there a strategic intent of releasing leaked videos?.
Fey dehr, your CO story begs the question...
How the heck did that come up in conversation w/o either of you being too worried that one would rat out the other?
Got any tips for approaching a potentially helpful CO?
https://1drv.ms/b/s!amcrvjcxi6m6gqzsthqdnca1bvxr.
i just had a thought of clarity regarding the jw explanation for this doctrine.
they explain that satan challenged god regarding his right to rule.
god failed to prove his right to rule.
Hey most people agree on some basics, even though they will go against them when it suits them better.
If you have to rely on someone else to make the laws for people en masse then you have governments and other groups of people that pop up to fill that void. If you want a god to fill that void then you may have to wait a while... Don't hold your breath though. If all you need is the idea of a god though, then join your preferred religion and the men there will happily tell you how to behave according to what god wants.
i just had a thought of clarity regarding the jw explanation for this doctrine.
they explain that satan challenged god regarding his right to rule.
god failed to prove his right to rule.
Nicoloau, atheism can certainly be a religion, I'm not sure I would call it "theology" though.
A-theism is w/o god(s) which really means that a person believes there is no god. an agnostic is admitting that they have no knowledge of god(s) but without specifically saying they know there is no god. See the difference?
The one claiming knowledge of things that they cannot personally verify is practicing a religion complete with belief systems and all, whereas someone claiming not to know things they could not know is simply being honest.
Lets be honest, atheism is a religion as much as Christianity and there's even that sort of self-righteous attitude that can creep into atheists just like other religions.
If you've read any of my other posts, you'll know that I'm not coming from a place of judgement or pro-god or pro-bible so please don't take my words here the wrong way. Lets all just be honest is all I'm saying.
