Would you convert if you had not seen the miracles yourself? Basically you are talking about serious apostasy with potentially death as its outcome, you better be right and if you had not seen people being healed, raised from the dead, feeding of thousands from just a little food etc, then you would be very hesitant to take peoples word for it. Then again, maybe the biblical contradictions put people off.
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How many anointed have come and gone; how many remain?
by Moster injust wondering if there is any data about how many anointed there were in say 1914, and considering most would have passed 'beyond the veil' already, are the jw's numbers adding up?
we know there are more in 2017 then there were in 2016, but just where are we in the grand total column?.
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You Just Can't Make This S--t Up!
by FedUpJW ini know this is kind of trivial but i don’t want to partake in something that might have connections with something that jehovah disapproves of.
i checked the watchtower library and i didn’t find anything on gingerbread man cookies.. .
good lord...how incredibly stupid and helpless are jdubs getting?
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MrRoboto
You guys just made me realize that I miss the cookies that I used to enjoy as a kid, when we did Christmas (I wasnt born in)..
All sorts of cookies but especially the ginger-bread cookies were nice.
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Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?
by rstrats in1. the messiah said that three nights would be involved with his time in the "heart of the earth".. 2. there are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.. 3. of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.. 4. however, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.. 5. to account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.. 6. in order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.. 6. for the purpose of this topic, i would like to ask if there are any 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates who think the messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period?.
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MrRoboto
I can't answer the question of Jewish idioms or whether it was normal to say 3 days, 3 nights and mean something else but I can say this:
I'm not referring to the use of symbols when I say this but if the bible was written in ways that make what it says different from what it means then we shouldn't base our belief system on it. Otherwise, at that point, you can just do what JWs and other religions do, and make it up as you see fit and start any number of cults based on your newest understanding.
IMHO, if god wanted to tell us something, he would do it. He wouldn't make it so obfuscated so as to hide the message in shrouds of discrepancies, leaving people to figure it out on their own. Some may counter: "yeah but he can give you holy spirit to understand.." to which I say " then we don't need the written word at all, he can just make us understand and the holy spirit can teach us all things as Jesus said"
Too bad it's all nonsense, as the many serious discrepancies (like the one cited in the OP) make super-abundantly clear.
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if pre 1975 you said "The system will still be here late 2017" what would be the J.W's reaction?
by karter inone word for it.....apostate!
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MrRoboto
Well, seeing as every year that goes by without the big A, millions more will have to be killed when it does come, I'm so glad that big J is patient, not having Armageddon be too early, so we can join the organization instead of being destroyed.
wait, what?
Also, I would love to find out what, if anything, happens if a regular publisher mentions or implies big A not coming by 2075 (or perhaps, not coming soon)
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little acts of kindness.
by zeb injust had a coffee on way home when two young mums with babys in strollers came in with the usual bags and stuff for the little ones needs.
i recall our days of little ones and the times we rarely went out.. i bought a coffee voucher for each mum and gave them my best wishes.
i delight in doing random acts of kindness.. i wish everyone here as well a safe and happy christmas/ new year time.
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MrRoboto
Just reading here on this forum, I've noticed that ex JWs seem to be more giving than when they were in as well as current jws. I've noticed a pull in this direction for myself as well. Any ideas or theories as to why exciting the bORG seems to make people more giving?
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Years REALLY DO FLY BY!
by somebody ini just realized that i was 39 years old when i joined this discussion board.
i remember the morning conversations that always brought me laughter, and i think there were only a but about 9 or 10 regulars back then!
i will now turn 57 years old in a few months.
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MrRoboto
GTS, that chariot is on the move!
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Years REALLY DO FLY BY!
by somebody ini just realized that i was 39 years old when i joined this discussion board.
i remember the morning conversations that always brought me laughter, and i think there were only a but about 9 or 10 regulars back then!
i will now turn 57 years old in a few months.
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MrRoboto
Guess that explains why the old folgies always seemed to drive so slow when I was a kid - except for Granny, she was a lead-foot and for some reason everyone around her would always be driving the wrong direction
I guess that explains why, for an old man of war like Jehovah, one day is like 1,000 years.
Stinks though, this fast time stuff. I suppose perhaps it's easier when you're retired? Hey at least the pimo meetings go by faster.
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Why do Jehovah`s Witnesses believe everything will be Hunky Dory after Armageddon ? I have news for them.
by smiddy3 inthey seem to think that all they will do is enjoy a carefree life with little or no concerns problems or worries whereas nothing could be further from the truth... according to the bible.. without trying to speculate on these concerns or problems during this one thousand year reign of christ jesus ,lets hear what the bible has to say about the end of his thousand year reign.. rev.20:7-10 satan is to be let out of his prison {as if he hasn`t done enough damage in 6000 years of roaming about in the earth at the same time fraternizing with jesus and jehovah in heaven} i digress.. and the reason he is let out of prison ,lo and behold ,is to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth gog and magog to gather them together for the war.
{ here we go again ,armageddon didn`t solve anything we have to go through another one.
} 1000 years later.. now get this it`s not just some isolated little skirmish with a few hundred or even a few thousand dissenters ,as the bible states they number the sands of the seashore and they advanced over the breadth of the earth and encircled the camp {not a nation but a camp} of the holy ones.and the beloved city.. with that description it would seem the holy ones are in the minority and the opposes apparently were spread over all the earth.. so that description of the bible to me about jc 1000 rule does not appear to be one of living in a paradise , that is not on the agenda until after jesus christ 1000 year reign and only if you are lucky enough to survive another test/war of your loyalty after all you have gone through previously.. i wonder if this realization is one of the reasons why so many now are claiming to be of the anointed because as one of the other sheep you have to pass another test after the 1000 years of christ jesus rule whereas of one of the anointed on death now you go straight to heaven ..
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MrRoboto
so looks like best bets to get past big A & 1000yrs with minimal fuss is to die now, before the trouble starts. You don't want tot be destroyed at big A do you?
In fact, if you practice some gross sin in the 1000 yrs, you will die as a young (wo)man so best to stop while you're ahead there too and live it up!
Of course their entire understanding of all these events is from self-appointed men twisting the written word to suit their own desires.
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How many anointed have come and gone; how many remain?
by Moster injust wondering if there is any data about how many anointed there were in say 1914, and considering most would have passed 'beyond the veil' already, are the jw's numbers adding up?
we know there are more in 2017 then there were in 2016, but just where are we in the grand total column?.
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MrRoboto
I was wondering about this myself - they obviously have the 144k thing wrong, even if you believe in the bible.
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Is this life all there is?
by Fisherman inwhat do you sincerely think?
do you nurture any hope?.
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MrRoboto
Interesting thread, nice to see so many different POVs..