Posts by MrRoboto

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Hollow earth

by Jrjw in

i thought the flat earth conspiracy theory was strange but ive just read an article about a new conspiracy theory that the earth is hollow and that its a paradise there and 8 foot tall intellectually advanced aliens live there who send space ships out every so often to check on mankind.

apparently lost viking colonies and nazis that fled there after world war 2 are living there immortally 🤣🤣 .

this world just gets better and better 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

MrRoboto

Oh just wait till you find out about the bowl earth! That's gonna blow your mind!

Oh and the elephants... ohh the elephants... all the way down man... (forget turtles)

On a more serious note, it's good to research. How else are you to know that your belief is based on truth, rather than lies? Don't limit that thought process to JW/exJW stuff.

in the end, the next generations will look back at us, just as we do today to our ancestors, and say:

"WTF were they thinking? It's ok, they were just dumb back then"

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Curiosity

by Jrjw in

i was just sitting daydreaming about answering up during a watchtower and exposing one of the lies the wts has stated in the study material and wondering what the reaction would be 😊 has anyone ever done this on their way out?

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MrRoboto

Maybe you could weave a morsel of truth into a comment by contrasting the truth with what "we know"and spinning it into a positive.

For example "even though the Australian royal commission found over 1000 unreported cases of child sexual abuse in Jehovah's witnesses in Australia, we know that Jehovah knows how to keep his house clean"

Or

"even though the (cite year/month/mag) said that disfellowshipping is a pagan practice with no biblical basis, how thankful we can be for this loving provision that helps Gods people stay clean today"

Probably still get pulled into the back room but if you do it with enough ambiguity, you might be able to pull it off without DFing

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

MrRoboto

Finally! Someone who gets it!

Thank you MrMeanMustard.

TD the material I posted was not for or against any model (or "absolute truth")

What I posted was to refute the junk popsci passes off as "how you can prove for yourself" I don't intend on defending any of the common models, just as I have thus far but I don't mind challenging the "proof" of the absoluteness of "truth" from time to time.

Have you seen the article? To tell someone to accept those things as ways they can prove the earth is round is the same as telling someone to "make the truth your own".

An objective view of these things would help the reader to discern that those points (or "ways") don't actually help you prove the claim. I've stated the reasons why that is the case in my retort above.

Aside from ego, can anyone make a clear case as to why this even matters to anyone here though? Aside from hide-the-god conspiracies (looking at F.E. folks here) and stroke-my-own-ego complex of others (not all inclusive for either group) why does anyone care?

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

MrRoboto

Cofty Perhaps repeating the name-calling will one day make it true - that's an interesting theory there.

TD Theoretical models is pretty much all we have. Every model is Absolute Truth (see cofty) until it's falsified, revised or rejected.

The scientific version of New Light® I suppose. If your entire discipline is built on math and computer models then it's still deep in the theory stage. Even though you may have some observations and data, your interpretation of them + the assumptions that the math is good, might lead to a good-enough approximation but it's still theory and until you can actually go out there and test it, it will remain theory. Theory may be Absolute Truth® but it is not absolute truth.

I would agree that many of the flat earth models are deeply flawed (there's more than 1) some more than others. Not all of them reject all of the disciplines you mentioned though. I'm not defending them (flat earth models) actually, I was calling out the bogus roundie arguments from PopSci. They should have known better.

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Information has no shape.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

MrRoboto

I haven't seen anti science dullards here yet but let's not start calling people names just because we disagree with them. If we're all going to start throwing rocks at eachother, we may as well just throw in the towel and not come back, that's not what this forum is for. And I don't mean just you cofty.

Surely someone here realized that you can have a model that perfectly explains all experiments and all observations and yet that model may still be incorrect? Maybe it would be incomplete or perhaps the proponents have simply not taken enough data points to reach the limitations of the model but this can happen. If the proponents are not careful, they will start to think that their carefully crafted model is the absolute truth. Not realizing that it breaks down upon closer inspection and further investigation. Lets not act like religious zealots here, we've come to far. (I am not calling names here, just suggesting not to act out)

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The Scientific Method

by cofty in

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MrRoboto

Only thing I get out of all this is that DJS is definitely elder material.

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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

MrRoboto

you could ask about the discrepancies in the bible - the really indisputable ones like all the problems with the jesus grave/resurrection accounts. that may be sufficiently far from their doctrine to get them to think.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

MrRoboto

pointless indeed. can someone close this thread?

is that a thing here?

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

MrRoboto

JP1692 - making assumptions is not the way to prove things. If you base your belief on your belief, it will be self-reinforcing. i.e. "It must be god's organization because the governing body is appointed by god"

How many circles do you want to run around mentally?

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

MrRoboto

slimboyfat, thats a good point. I think at least most folks here have had to at some point take a look at some things that they just knew were true and reexamine them. Then they started to realize that there is a different perspective, that the GB doesn't necessarily have their best interests in mind and that there's more to the story than what they've been led to believe by those in charge, the many thousands in charge who may or may not believe the truth of their own words as they lead the "sheep" to the slaughter. The fact that we've made it to this forum likely means that thankfully, we were able to see things from a different perspective, even if it took many years and much research.

Even then, some post-JW folk believe in the bible, and some dont, so even in re-examining their own perspective, we did not all come to the same conclusions in the end, but at least we got out (even if only mentally for some) from under the thumb of the bORG.