Posts by MrRoboto

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Session #8: "Bullet in the Head"

by Brian J in

so at the phd today with my wife and me, and in slowly getting to the heart of matters (like peeling an onion if you ask me), the dialogue in part went like this: .

phd: if it came down to it, would you take a bullet in the head instead of giving up membership in your organization?

wife: absolutely, i would die for my faith.

MrRoboto

the fact that she equated the org with her faith shows that the brainwashing is in full swing. maybe you can tear down that wall of equivalence one brick at a time.

something that may help is to bring up accounts in the bible that shes familiar with and ask questions about what it sounds like they mean. chose accounts that are usually twisted by the org but have a different and plain meaning when read in context. she may start to wonder why they teach it differently.

some good ones are:

the good samaritan account: remember that the question jesus was answering was "who really is my neighbor" and the neighbor turned out to be the person to helped the victim. in essence jesus was saying to love those who show love to you.

the last-coin widow: in context (read a little before this account) jesus is using her as an example of how the pharasees devour the houses of widdows

the one who has died has been aquitted of his sins: i think its in hebrews somewhere but this one is used to teach forgiveness at death but this scripture was an obvious metaphor if you read in context

666 in revelation: you could ask her how 3 sixes could represent something when the number 6 as used today was not invented until centuries after rev. was written, the number was in text format (lit. six hundred and sixty and six) and would not have conveyed the same sense (tripple 6)

theres alot more than those but most would probably set off alarm bells and shut her down.

if you want to get more advanced you could ask how jesus could have helped in creation (as john 1 clearly states he did -'without him was not any thing made that was made' ) if in isa. 44:24 it says "I am Jehovah, who made everything. I stretched out the heavens by myself, And I spread out the earth. Who was with me?"

careful with that one though, you might be accused of promoting the trinity or being an apostate.

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Give Love to Receive Love ???

by IMHO in

jw
friends

please help me understand this.

over the years i have seen and have heard of many who have changed congregation due to the 'lack of love' shown in their own.

you then hear many condemning such ones as 'having a problem' and 'taking their problems with them'.

MrRoboto

Having been a "one" who was going to change for the same reason (plus lots of other BS I won't go into) I can say that it seems that the cliques show "love" among themselves but not so much to others.

Thats why they arent supposed to have cliques but it happens anyway. There is very little real love in the bORG, consider yourself fortunate if you were able to experience it there.

you obviously are not an elder or immediate family thereof. they get alot of attention.

i stopped showing love when I realized the truth about this org and the deliberate lies and false teachings and cover ups.

try spending less time at a KH, your stress levels will go down.

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Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth in

is this true?

is this really true?!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

MrRoboto

"There can be porneia without skin to skin contact.."

WTF is wrong with these people?

a 2004 Watchtower study says that "Porneia includes such acts as oral sex, anal sex, and masturbating another person—conduct commonly associated with houses of prostitution. "

I suppose you could get creative and avoid skin touching like the plague while doing those, but they make it sound like you could accidentally do porneia w/o skin to skin.

I like how they never fully define the word though, only listing what it "includes" but not what it IS. I guess that way they can add stuff that they don't approve of later.

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Anthony Morris Says That Tight Disgust His Imaginary Friend Jehovah

by Brokeback Watchtower in

titus 1:15,16.

15 all things are clean to clean people;o but to those who are defiled and faithless, nothing is clean, for both their minds and their consciences are defiled.p

16 they publicly declare that they know god, but they disown him by their works,q because they are detestable and disobedient and not approved for good work of any sort..

MrRoboto

That only covers about 75% of the ppl at the hall I sometimes attend. Anyone else notice something similar?

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New Member Of The Governing Body 24 Jan 2018

by pale.emperor in

just seen this announced on reddit:.

ken cook was announced today at morning worship as the new member of the governing body.

i dont recall him from the broadcasts, but he was formally a helper on the writing committee as per https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/governing-body/.

MrRoboto

Wasnt there an article a while back that mentioned the helpers not being annointed? or am i misremembering that?

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What else is there to the so called "Truth"

by jdash in

first of all, i want to say thanks to all of you guys who gave me advice on my first post.

it really helped and i will try to use all of it.

now, i been doing research on what is false about the jdubs.

MrRoboto

jwfacts.com will help you sort some of it out. reading just the "greek scriptures" will prove quite a bit of their stuff to be unbiblical.

you're headed the right direction, dont stop until you find truth.

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Don't Try to Choose Your Beliefs

by cofty in

beliefs are not things to be chosen like new clothes; authentic beliefs happen to us without our conscious attention.. i have often seen comments from ex-jws to the effect that they are now unsure about what they 'ought' to believe.

others express offense when their chosen beliefs are challenged and well-meaning bystanders protest that everybody is entitled to believe whatever they wish.

this misunderstanding of what it means to believe something is unhelpful.. it's natural to want to quickly replace our old beliefs when our worldview has collapsed around us.

MrRoboto

It should be mentioned that while authentic beliefs can "happen to us without our concious attention" authentic beliefs can also be formed when we conciously examine evidence for/against an idea, even putting the "expert" beliefs or assertions to the test to (in)validate it.

when you refuse to do this, it may lead to actually choosing your belief by omitting pertinent information that could lead your belief system in another direction.

adhering to the many things we have been indoctrinated with (religious and otherwise) without setting out to honestly and without prejudice prove whether these things are true or not has the defacto result of choosing the indoctrinated thought structure (belief)

sometimes those who come here asking what to believe are simply in the middle of a belief system collapse and they should be supported to the extent possible, helping them to learn how to think if necessary but never what to think.

Thats my 2 cents anyway.

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ARC Information pack received in relation to my help, assistance, evidence and testimony

by jwleaks in

this was sent to me by the arc for assisting and providing evidence and testimony in relation to jehovah's witnesses, the watchtower bible & tract society of australia, terrence o'brien, vincent toole, and geoffrey jackson of the governing body.. photo 1. a thank you letter, final report, summary brochures of the entire arc, every single case study and related document on a usb memory stick.. photo 2. close up of official arc usb memory stick with every single case study every single report and all the documents used.. photo 3. this arrived last year.

case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses.

i sent this official hardcopy to barbara anderson as a gift for all her hard work.. .

MrRoboto

Unbelievable and awesome! well done.

JWLeaks, is there any way that we would access a copy of the judicial hearing you are refering to? Is it already public somewhere?

wild-thing would you mind updating us on this thread if you manage to get a copy or if they deny it?

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Crazy JW Comments On AvoidJW.org

by AverageJoe1 in

i read john redwood’s excellent article on avoidjw.org but what was even more mind blowing for me was all the jw comments via disqus at the end of the article:.

http://avoidjw.org/en/news/problems-facing-jw-org/.

they are all the typical lashing out comments based on emotion rather than logical reasoning along with the watchtower apologists thrown in for good measure.. if any of you have a disqus account, then i’d encourage you to have your say.

MrRoboto

AverageJoe, I dont know how you can take it, my head hirts just reading the first page of comments!

its really quite amazing the number of JWs that have a disqus acount and also have fond that post on avoidjw, I wonder if theres something more going on here... something more than just lurking.

oh yeah and the site admin changing the link in one comment, twice - obviously from jw . org to jw.borg - hah! priceless - "remove direct link to Apostate web site." - too bad he missed some others in the other comments.

im a firm believer in not helping the borg with their SEO.

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A perfect guidebook ? Really

by CovertsadJW in

if jehovah is a “ perfect “ god and our everlasting life is in the balance - why then does a perfect god give us a very imperfect guide book “ bible “ one that is open for interpretation hundreds - or more - different ways.

if you look at it as an instruction book , it most likely is the worst written instruction book in mankind’s history.

i cannot interpret an instruction book on “ flying a plane “ , it only has one interpretation as your life depends on it , but alas it was written by imperfect men.

MrRoboto

CovertSadJW feel free to ask questions here, make new posts if you want, you'll find alot of support and answers here.

I dont risk talking to any JWs about this stuff except here and 1 very close semi-awakened family member that wont make a thing of it. Everyone else is off limits, at least until I draw my line in the sand - im pimo for now but at my wits end with these nutters.