Posts by Hadriel

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How do you tell your spouse you no longer believe in God?

by Darkknight757 in

so i was hoping to get some insight on this subject of telling your spouse that you no longer believe in god.

for two people who have been jehovahs witnesses for 20 years together, talking about this seems to be real hard for me.

i still pray with my wife before meals but that's about it.

Hadriel

@Anders makes a couple good points. One saving the marriage is of utmost importance. Two and I can't explain why this happens but it does, the wife often doesn't spend the time the fellas do in their due diligence. I wish I had the answer for that, but I don't.

In general I find you must have some solid ground to stand on for whatever it is you might believe.

I can't stress the NOT judging enough. For us it has been insurmountable to discuss both sides of the coin together. Rather than say "look at this" or "can't you see that". Those types of phrases will only beget negative reactions resulting in an immediate wall being put up.

All the best bud.

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How do you tell your spouse you no longer believe in God?

by Darkknight757 in

so i was hoping to get some insight on this subject of telling your spouse that you no longer believe in god.

for two people who have been jehovahs witnesses for 20 years together, talking about this seems to be real hard for me.

i still pray with my wife before meals but that's about it.

Hadriel

I think it's important to be out of the judging business.

What I mean is if you're honest there's no way to prove either perspective beyond any doubt. At least not in my mind. Oh you can make a case for a supreme being and you can make a case for not having one. But neither are absolute.

My wife has been feeling the same as you actually. For me I can't get past evolving from a single cell. Seems too much of a stretch. Again though after what we've experienced and the hypocrisy in general in religion can you blame a person for not believing in God? I can't. Add to the fact that if you believe the bible God killed a lot of folks. If a person today did what God supposedly did in the bible we'd call them a mass murder. There would be no justification.

In my mind then it is important to not be in the judging business. If there is a God do you think he would be offended for you being confused? He wouldn't if he is in fact loving for the multitude of religions and beliefs at a minimum have been horribly muddied.

Perhaps then, instead of focusing on your perspective you discuss both. How both have holes and that you shouldn't judge one another. For my wife and I that is where we are at. We accept that neither perspective can be proven without a doubt. As such we simply discuss the possibilities of both sides accepting the opposite perspective as a distinct possibility.

Best wishes...

H

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Time to Spill my Guts

by Hadriel in

been lurking around here for several weeks.

posted once or twice but not too much.

i'm a covert fade at the moment.

Hadriel

@AndersAndersen

I agree wholeheartedly and aim to do my part. It will take time as I can't expose my identity initially. But that is exactly what I want to accomplish.

Matter of fact here's the deal, why its so dangerous, here's how you can leave, improve your life and be happy.

No attacking or hate. Helping someone to learn what really is the "truth" about the truth organically is about as powerful as it gets in my opinion.

I will do what I can. I take it very seriously and only want to assist others. There's simply no other motivation.

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Time to Spill my Guts

by Hadriel in

been lurking around here for several weeks.

posted once or twice but not too much.

i'm a covert fade at the moment.

Hadriel

@AndersAndersen

Nicely done with the "BS" I love it.

@OneGenTwoGroups

Yeah I'd actually like to do a webcast I already have a studio to do it. I've done them before for things. I can't get into what exactly as it would be a dead give away. but PM if you want to talk more about that.

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Time to Spill my Guts

by Hadriel in

been lurking around here for several weeks.

posted once or twice but not too much.

i'm a covert fade at the moment.

Hadriel

@JWDaughter

I've been given job offers in Dubai many times. Really cool place actually. Totally agree there.

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Time to Spill my Guts

by Hadriel in

been lurking around here for several weeks.

posted once or twice but not too much.

i'm a covert fade at the moment.

Hadriel

Thanks @FleshlyHeadedMutant

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Time to Spill my Guts

by Hadriel in

been lurking around here for several weeks.

posted once or twice but not too much.

i'm a covert fade at the moment.

Hadriel

@ToesUp great advice appreciate ya.

Thanks to everyone in here today!

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Time to Spill my Guts

by Hadriel in

been lurking around here for several weeks.

posted once or twice but not too much.

i'm a covert fade at the moment.

Hadriel

@ToesUp

Very well said. Yep we are pretty honest and direct. They have been told to reach out at school. To get involved in other things. Being able to play sports was pretty much music to their ears. I don't want to give too much away as to identity (my apologies) but growing up I was very good at a sport. Scholarships and the whole nine yards. I wasn't supported. It was likely I could have turned pro. I had been told that for years. I was forced to abandon it and regretted it ever since. It had nothing to do with the money or fame. I loved that darn game and still do.

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Time to Spill my Guts

by Hadriel in

been lurking around here for several weeks.

posted once or twice but not too much.

i'm a covert fade at the moment.

Hadriel

@Giordano

Great point on the blood cards. I'll revoke those puppies today! Nope none baptized thankfully. I never bought into the get baptized at a young age movement. I used to joke if they get any younger we'll be sprinkling water on babies just like the Catholics before long LOL.

That quote you just posted is flat out Gold. Wow does that hit the mark or what!

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Time to Spill my Guts

by Hadriel in

been lurking around here for several weeks.

posted once or twice but not too much.

i'm a covert fade at the moment.

Hadriel

@FayeDunaway

I appreciate that. Although I would argue on the intelligence front. If I was smart I would have figured this all out a lot sooner. Feeling pretty duped these days ha ha.

@TheSearcher

I hear ya on that front. I'm pretty careful and only mention things that are factual and cannot be portrayed as anything other than "boy this seems odd don't you think?"

I can be active in assisting others without being "found out" rather easily. Truth be told the digital world is my world not their's. meaning they won't find out anything I don't want them to. I can't give too much away here but I'm sure you get the drift.

@NeverendingJourney

Oh I totally hear you. Glad you brought this up as I read it back and got the same impression you did. Yeah I'm not saying they're absolved. I've heard the same stories you have. I can't say specifically why but I'm aware of the inner workings quite conclusively actually. My point was more to the Juggxrnaught this whole thing is. It's as if it is a being itself or something. Maybe I'm not quite explaining it right but the point is people do and say things they might not normally all because of an idea. The "truth" as it were has little effect.

@MrsObfuscate (btw do you know what obfusticate means, it's a tech term! I like it!)

Yep still in school. Not too much longer. Just encouraging them to engage with others. We had a lengthy talk about what good friends are. I reminded them how many times they've had bad experiences for one reason or another. They both agreed. I said you'll have that in or out. in life we have our mate and maybe one or two close friends plus your family. In the end that's what it often works out to be. Basically the point I was trying to make is that either in or out of the organization making long lasting friends is work and effort.