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  My life After Bethel Part 1

  by new boy in

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  the day i left it was pouring rain........i really screwed up, i found out the night before, as i was packing things up, that i had way under estimated how much stuff i had.

  i had two large suit cases (that i could barely shut the lids on) and a large army duffel bag.

  i would guess about 200 pounds of shit......my van was in rhode island with the engine out of it.

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  Hadriel

  ...agrees with @vivalavida your writing is easy to follow and flows nicely @NewBoy keep em' coming.
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  My Bthel Experince Part 19 The Last Chapter..(really) Bethel Overseers

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there were other people who either killed themselves or tried to kill themselves while they were at "the house of god.

  one person who did kill himself was richard wheelock, press room overseer ......he jumped out of a window at the watchtower farm one day.

  it seemed, he was never quite the same after his wife "willy" died.

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  Hadriel

  This story is like rinse and repeat. Most if not all feel this way when leaving.
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  I can't let go of this obsession...

  by juandefiero in

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  i really want to let go of the exjw obsession.

  but i can't.

  i keep coming here and other sites several times a day.i want to shout from the rooftops to my family and friends and say, "it's all a lie!

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  Hadriel

  Two things I know at this point in my fade. Pretty much everyone goes through the same feelings. Secondly no one should have to deal with this conflict within self and their family. Just shouldn't be.

  The way I've been expressing things to my family is here are x number of things, they have shaken me, I'm conflicted. I wish someone could prove them wrong.

  Some will be compelled to set out and prove those concerns you mention wrong. They won't be able to.

  The result is quite incredible to see.

  I find no joy in it other than knowing that I've gained them and that I might have saved them from refusing blood or adhering to some other thing that could cause loss of life etc.
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  "Crises of Conscience"

  by Olivia Wilde in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......

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  Hadriel

  For those curious Crisis of Conscience will be back in circulation at nominal prices.

  I noticed that the pricing is quite high and is usually but various private sellers or those with a few left.

  Like I said though this will be back in full circulation very soon.
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  WT Study 1/10/16 Encouraging Child Baptism And More Nonsense

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've noticed that each wt lesson really only has one or two points they want remembered.

  normally they build up to these by about the third subheading.

  this week's lesson though was different, the main point was insidiously made through an experience in the first paragraph:.

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  Hadriel

  @freemindfade is freaking dead on. Do you think the baptism questions are to see if you know the teachings of the organization? Yes some are but pay attention to the more than half of those which are targeted at consequences. They are formulated in a way where you're answering in the affirmative that you realize there are repercussions.

  The second question at the day of the baptism the contract is inked.

  Make no mistake this process is so that you can be held accountable. It's as plain as day. There's no conspiracy here that is exactly what it was designed for.
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  Any former elders brains I could pick?

  by BarelyThere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

  it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

  i was dfed back in september for adultery.

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  Hadriel

  @Wasanelder you know as well as I do that this sometimes expedites the reinstatement at times. This is because the new brothers in the new hall are not emotionally invested. This allows pressure to naturally build with them and the original brothers.

  Yes the orig. committee holds the cards ultimately but the pressure from those brothers in the new hall has been proven to expedite matters. Seen it first hand more than one.
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  Any former elders brains I could pick?

  by BarelyThere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

  it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

  i was dfed back in september for adultery.

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  Hadriel

  @berrygerry brings up a good point. it may be best for her to change congregations pronto. This can have significant effect on lessening the time. In fact I would greatly encourage this.
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  Public or Group Prayer As A Weapon

  by TMS in

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  one of the sillier notions taught at km schools is the concept of "teaching through prayer.

  " the idea is that words supposedly directed to jehovah god through christ jesus are actually aimed at individuals who are in a position to say "amen" to the supplication.

  for example, in a judicial setting brother pompous opens the hearing in prayer: "dear jehovah, we ask your blessing on this arrangement.

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  Hadriel

  Great post. This has been done for a long time even before it was a "thing" but the point here is even if someone was genuine or the prayer eluding to things that were truly troubling the person, the reality is that it is contrived. That is unequivocally the opposite of what JW's are taught to do.
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  Any former elders brains I could pick?

  by BarelyThere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

  it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

  i was dfed back in september for adultery.

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  Hadriel

  I don't think pointing out statistics will help @BarelyThere at this point.

  Don't know her situation. Without the threat of sanctions had she been able to part ways with her husband does any of this happen?

  People feel trapped. Marriage is hard. I don't condone splitting a whim but there are times when ppl are seriously distraught. You don't know someone until you live with them.

  Stats simply aren't going to help her. Not in my opinion at least.
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  Any former elders brains I could pick?

  by BarelyThere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

  it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

  i was dfed back in september for adultery.

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  Hadriel

  @BarelyThere

  I concur with @stired I PM'd you as much. Unfortunately this is how they'll see it. If you marry particularly to this other brother, it will likely extend the length of time.