Posts by Hadriel

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

@OnTheWayOut

yet that same someone will accept that a "creator" did the exact same thing or was just always there, well that person needs to start over in their thinking

I never mentioned God in my post not even inferred it. Granted there may be some implication but only because it is the Yang to Evolution's Ying. It's the opposite hence it's assumed.

Anyway you're making an assumption there as it has nothing to do with that for me. It has to do with the viability of early life theories. It's about whether I can even consider it as a viable theory.

As I indicated earlier it is a far stretch for me that RNA magically offloaded its enzymatic functions. I must admit it is possible that RNA and DNA developed in tandem but I personally can't support the above as the model is quite complex as to the science of the matter.

I don't buy the argument that evidence of life evolving or kickstarting as it did from the time of the primordial soup won't be "in our lifetime". Why not? The components are still here since they are needed for life in the first place.

Where I have trouble is that we can't see it because it is slow and happened long ago. Well am I to believe that all the evolutionary chains all started at the same time so they are in a phase that isn't visible today? You mean none started 1 billion years ago, 100 million ago, 1 million ago. Stands to reason since it is happenstance there would be different events as such that they'd be staggered so some would be evident. Some half man half hominid or half amphibian half something else.

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Korean News : CoC in Korean

by AntiEntropy in

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hi bros.. after my father's publishing his book, "15 questions after 40 years of jw" , many ex-jw bros in korea became motivated to rush to the coc korean project.

however any secular project needs a fund eventhough it's a not-for-profit.

fortunately, a bunch of bros decided to donate generously $300~$7,000 to this unprofitable business.

Hadriel

@listener of course it will be readily available and in more form factors than previous. As to price I imagine it will follow suit to what's been done in the past.

I get the sense from a lot of people "it better be cheap". Ray was vehemently against it being free.

Open invitation if you can translate COC into the needed langs with the 2008 updates, ready the artwork, secure a publisher and have it ready in all form factors needed in 24 I'll write you a 1000.00 check.

I don't see much reasonability here. Ultimately none of our opinions matter. She is organizing it as she sees fit, which is her right to do so and Ray's wife's wishes by the way.

Could an out of date version be put up sure is that what the CPH wants to do? No. She wants it current and organized. There was no control with publishers all over taking liberties they had no right to do.

Poor translations I've inspected myself. Bootlegs by people you name it.

The fact that some here expect all this to be sorted out correctly and legally in 24 hours baffles me. Just isn't that easy.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

@cofty go to bed we'll pick this up tom. :) If fact I'm not going to post again cause you'll just stay up all night ha ha :)

Right those nucleotides are just four chems sugars and others (lol I only remember sugars forget the other three) however the ordering is the kicker so that is the code or the makeup can't get away from that.

I'm not going to use the word "intelligence" as I honestly believe from a pure chemical standpoint it would be unfair to say so however this ordering is the genetic code without it we'd all be the same. So it does matter.

I would definitely agree from this perspective though, DNA is not the code itself. It is more of the container if you will.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

@cleanideas - no preconceived notions here and no one is injecting anything, well I'm not at least. I know you're kidding around but I've been thinking about starting this thread for a while, studying and preparing questions for feedback from others.

The point being this is not a game for me not in the least. I'm serious about bouncing ideas. Looking to learn and draw reasonable conclusions.

@cofty

...RNA increasingly taking on the role of translation of DNA

I can sort of see this theory actually.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

Is DNA information or not? See this statement or question a lot. Here's my understanding based on general college education.

DNA is comprised of nucleotides the ordering of the nucleotide groups is what we think of as to the genetic code or what makes the difference between an animal a human or various characteristics of either.

So I would argue that it is true the DNA is not the "information" if you will it does contain the ordering of the various nucleotide groups which make us who we are and what we are.

In coding you have various files that make a program. The ordering of those files and how they import is important or the code won't run or you'll get errors as a resource may not yet be defined. When it is called connected and compiled you have the resulting container which can be used to execute the code.

To me DNA is that container.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

Holy crap I stepped away...that escalated quickly.

Alright so let's take abiogenesis out of the equation for the moment. If RNA is the ticket I don't see how farming out its enzymatic tasks to proteins magically happened. There's a significant jump there for me that doesn't make sense.

Additionally RNA can be synthesized by DNA and essentially carries out DNA's orders in carrying code from the nucleus via chain to proteins/ribosomes.

In lay terms RNA is seems subordinate to DNA.

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Korean News : CoC in Korean

by AntiEntropy in

jw
friends

hi bros.. after my father's publishing his book, "15 questions after 40 years of jw" , many ex-jw bros in korea became motivated to rush to the coc korean project.

however any secular project needs a fund eventhough it's a not-for-profit.

fortunately, a bunch of bros decided to donate generously $300~$7,000 to this unprofitable business.

Hadriel

It makes little sense to not want the latest regardless of how small or great the updates are.

Don't believe me put a gallon of mile out marked with first as the expiration date then put jugs behind it with the expiration of the second. comeback at the end of the day and the one jug with the first as the expiration will still be sitting there.

for the final time it takes time to organize such an undertaking. It is really frustrating that so may hang on the well it only takes 24 hours. it doesn't. to update, organize, translate secure long term publisher, artwork etc. It just doesn't happen overnight. To argue otherwise is for the benefit of your agenda.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

First off I do believe there are some evidences of evolution or I should probably say adaptation. I do believe this exists in various forms.

However the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem. There are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.

What I mean is let's start at the beginning!

How were the proteins of life, the makeup of DNA created without DNA? To me this is a very serious issue for evolution. RNA as a precursor is not plausible due to complexity so how did the proteins needed for life get created.

How did simple amino acids by sheer chance get charged some how to where DNA was formed?

Add to that what was the driver that caused these amino acids to be charged in such a way and where are the examples of this today?

Although the makeup of these chemicals might have been happenstance they still exist so why don't we see the process repeating itself?

Examples further down the chain are great but explain to me how the proteins of life formed without DNA. Explain the driver if that is your theory that caused simple amino acids to develop DNA/Proteins.

I'm no expert other than due diligence I've done research wise. So feel free to make any corrections.

I would appreciate sticking on topic and not providing things outside the scope of the afore mentioned. Let's start at the beginning as if proven the rest is academic anyway right?

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Korean News : CoC in Korean

by AntiEntropy in

jw
friends

hi bros.. after my father's publishing his book, "15 questions after 40 years of jw" , many ex-jw bros in korea became motivated to rush to the coc korean project.

however any secular project needs a fund eventhough it's a not-for-profit.

fortunately, a bunch of bros decided to donate generously $300~$7,000 to this unprofitable business.

Hadriel

@jookbeard

he copyright holder is like waiting for Sasquatch

so your satire and negative comments are cool but me giving my opinion saying I think something is "dumb" is too much

okey dokey.

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Korean News : CoC in Korean

by AntiEntropy in

jw
friends

hi bros.. after my father's publishing his book, "15 questions after 40 years of jw" , many ex-jw bros in korea became motivated to rush to the coc korean project.

however any secular project needs a fund eventhough it's a not-for-profit.

fortunately, a bunch of bros decided to donate generously $300~$7,000 to this unprofitable business.

Hadriel

Although it would be interesting to read the 2008 additions, they are not important.

Dumbest statement I've read on this topic. If the guy worked on revisions there must have been a reason. Perhaps you were a GB member and have special insight he didn't.