Posts by Hadriel

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JW broadcasting and doubts

by Colinconfused in

hi everyone to cut a long story short, ive been away from the meetings for over 10 years.

i recently reconnected with the congregation and started a study.

cant get my head around all the changes and jw broadcasting.

I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Hadriel

@OrphanCrow said several times I'm all ears on how the origin of life started. Happy to listen to anything anyone has to say. But alas no one has said much, just that I'm stupid.

so here's your chance enlighten me. What proof do you have that supports an evolutionary happenstance that is the origin of life? Go

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JW broadcasting and doubts

by Colinconfused in

hi everyone to cut a long story short, ive been away from the meetings for over 10 years.

i recently reconnected with the congregation and started a study.

cant get my head around all the changes and jw broadcasting.

Hadriel

Colin start with the bible...

The NWT is well not a bible. There are so many distortions and poorly translated versions it really was eye opening for me.

Look into the original text, there are many many mis translations that change the meaning for the benefit of the JW narrative. I can give you examples if you wish but I would suggest doing your own more meaningful research :)

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Hadriel

yeah yeah "i clearly don't understand" I got it I'm stupid for wanting to know the source of it all so that I can make an educated decision.

Personally I think it IS stupid for example to pull a quarter-sized piece of scrap metal out of a pile and then claim everyone else is stupid because they don't clearly see that this metal with not a mark on it is from a Solstice GXP Coupe Turbo.

Seriously it's insane.

I'll be first to admit there's a ton of evidence to support the theory of evolution but that doesn't automatically mean all the answers have been explained. This very origin issue perplexed Darwin which is seen by his many comments on the matter to his colleges in letters. If it was good enough to bug Chuck it's good enough for me.

Until we solve this issue it is not possible to make any absolute statement. I don't see where it is a crime to want more proof. To know what the biochemical charge was (yes cofty scientists absolutely use this term) is important.

If your aim is to force people to accept your opinion and you say oh don't worry about how ti all started just believe what I say the result came from, at least with this guy, you're wasting your time.

I want the f-ing proof period.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Hadriel

@cofty hence "bacteria like" but maybe you missed the "like". And yes as a point of reference to make others understand it has been said this way before. Nothing new and certainly not from me.

Again the constant shots to intelligence "don't copy paste". I'm not a dumb person. Disagreeing with you doesn't make me less intelligent than you.

Yes "codons" simply a typo but you had to point that out, again a shot at intelligence.

At no point have I insulted your intelligence in this discussion. Yet you have sent a barrage of subtle shots my way.

For the record I've worked on in whole or part on apps you literally use on your phone/computer. Rather than insult me perhaps you can just say thanks sheesh. Enough with the barbs.

Not contradicting myself but say what you like. I've asked 10 times for you to explain the catalyst, the biochemical "charge" and yes "charge" is used by plenty of professors so maybe you don't understand that word but they certainly do.

Sure on the paper. Whose the independent party assessing the validity and worth of these papers? You're writing one too right? May have to make some time to do it. Not something I'd write in an hour.

I would ask one last time. What caused the biochemical event which made life and evolution even possible? Simple question but you've never even tried to answer it.

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Complaining over post dislikes / downvotes

by Simon in

let's be clear: people have the right to like or dislike what they want - that is why the option is there.

as long as they are not doing it in a malicious way to retaliate or game the system, there is no policing the votes.

if you get a down-vote, live with it.

Hadriel

@cofty is right on this one. society is too soft in my opinion.

The result of change is often proceeded by debate and openness.

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I've had enough..

by raven in

so last night, after thinking "wow those pesky elders have finally left me alone, maybe since i skipped out on their jc invitation back on august 1st they've given up" wrong.. i go to check the mail and there's an envelope at my front door- lo and behold, another letter from from these elders.. why won't they leave me alone already?

i'll attach a picture of the letter.. again, same letter as the first one inviting me to a judicial committee on august 15th - and signed by all three elders.. should i just continue to ignore?

quite frankly i don't give a rats arse i've been enjoying life free from the mind control of the organization, and i just wish they would drop it and let me live life.. like i mentioned before, i am moving to a new home next week, the only reason these elders have my current address ( which happens to be over 100 miles away from the cong ) is because my mother gave it to them, after i gave it to her in confidence to forward me my mail.. so lets just say she won't be getting my new address... i don't have any contact with ones from this congregation (i'm an ex pioneer, so i'm sure if they've gotten word on what i'm doing, i must be satan himself!

Hadriel

...what Giordano said. +1

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Hadriel

So funny ppl are lazy and simply don't read. please leave God out of it. I'm not concerned at all with that.

I don't give a flying F if a fuzzy galactic super bunny started it all or a craps like dice shoot by sheer happenstance,

doesn't matter my point is if you can't define that origin you cannot form a concrete opinion, an opinion based on what you know sure, but not an absolute one no one can.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Hadriel

Cofty let's not be coy here.

You know what I'm talking about here.

I'm not going to iterate the entire process but the theory is in very short we're talking about RNA and its condons translating to DNA (nucleotides NOT proteins not related) and the amino acid chaining.

If you have nothing better to do you can experiment with the translation of this process below:

http://www.attotron.com/cybertory/analysis/trans.htm

Let's not put words in my mouth nor act as though I'm uninformed I've pretty much had it with that noise, I'll simply ignore you.

I've already said what my position is and no Cofty you are categorically wrong. LUCA is not contrary to origin of life.

"We know a lot about LUCA and we are beginning to learn about the chemistry that produced building blocks like amino acids, but between the two there is a desert of knowledge," Carter said. "We haven't even known how to explore it." - Charles Carter PhD.

As Dr. Carter eludes the building blocks are what we're after. Even if we know about RNA, ribosomes the eventual chaining of the amino acids which result in proteins and ultimately DNA is very important.

So I categorically disagree with your statement. regarding LUCA.

The charge is what caused the chaining to start, what caused the biochemical reaction that resulted in amino acids chaining and building proteins. Not to mention there is a substantial jump from RNA to DNA itself.

Clear enough?

Now explain to me the charge what caused the event. Happenstance, God, a Leprechaun, a Martian how'd it happen?

If you can't explain that process you cannot say with anything definitive as to that early bacteria like RNA started chaining and ultimate became DNA.

If the "origin" were not important why the hell is everyone trying to solve it???

I will not respond to any post twisting words, done with that. Talk to me about what I describe or I'm not interested. You cannot make me or anyone believe what you likely cannot prove. If you can I'm all ears.

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Complaining over post dislikes / downvotes

by Simon in

let's be clear: people have the right to like or dislike what they want - that is why the option is there.

as long as they are not doing it in a malicious way to retaliate or game the system, there is no policing the votes.

if you get a down-vote, live with it.

Hadriel

...if you think @simon is unfair there's simply no hope for you.

I've argued with him over guns told him his wrong according to my opinion on various things. Always much ado about nothing. In other words no on is talking about someone's mamma, wife children etc.

Simply debate. If your agenda is beyond reasonable respectful debate just move along...