Posts by Hadriel

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Changed Will Watchtower You Get Nothing!

by Hadriel in

as i mentioned last week i'm a covert fade.

it dawned on me that i had the watchtower bible and tract society in my will.

i just changed it.

Yup been kicking around some of those ideas. Just no easy way to get the heck out. Also see PM.

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ELDERS, ha ha ha ha....!!!!!

by brandnew in

jw
friends

so as many know....ive been df'd goin on 19 years already.

i drive pops to meetings, and drop him off on saturdays for fs.. well yesterday, the elders ask to speak to me, and tell me that if i plan on returning to jehovah, i had better shave my beard off..

omg!!!!!!

Hadriel

@Makemeanunbeliever

So you call killing children a mistake? Why would God have his spirit directed organization employ policies that would kill children.

Prior to 2000 many blood fractions were banned. Many children died. In fact an article was made praising their stance. Suddenly after 2000 this was relaxed.

Now imagine you're a parent whose child died. How would you feel? How would you feel about God.

I cannot and will not call these mistakes. They are opinions of men, that were not voted on unanimously by the way, that were flipped flopped without thought of those whom they effect.

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ELDERS, ha ha ha ha....!!!!!

by brandnew in

jw
friends

so as many know....ive been df'd goin on 19 years already.

i drive pops to meetings, and drop him off on saturdays for fs.. well yesterday, the elders ask to speak to me, and tell me that if i plan on returning to jehovah, i had better shave my beard off..

omg!!!!!!

Hadriel

@Makemeanunbeliever

Wait are you just trying to get time in?

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Changed Will Watchtower You Get Nothing!

by Hadriel in

as i mentioned last week i'm a covert fade.

it dawned on me that i had the watchtower bible and tract society in my will.

i just changed it.

Hadriel

@Giordano

She's afraid to rip the band-aid off and I'm afraid not too. I don't want the kids indoctrinated any more than they already are now.

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ELDERS, ha ha ha ha....!!!!!

by brandnew in

jw
friends

so as many know....ive been df'd goin on 19 years already.

i drive pops to meetings, and drop him off on saturdays for fs.. well yesterday, the elders ask to speak to me, and tell me that if i plan on returning to jehovah, i had better shave my beard off..

omg!!!!!!

I used to think just like you. Then a study ask me to prove them wrong. He had never been a witness. Knew nothing of them. He asked me to check into a few things. I setup to prove him wrong only I couldn't.

You simply cannot say anything one way or the other until you give an honest, transparent test of your faith. Until then your statement is heavily slanted.

There are two types of individuals that leave the organization. Ones that have been dealt with judicially and have an axe to grind, the other being ones that have been at Bethel and seen the hypocrisy or are generally deep thinkers and have really attempted to check every box.

For the latter group I can tell you if you allow yourself to have an honest, transparent study of the organization you simply CANNOT come away feeling remotely confident. In fact most feel deceived and duped.

Happy to give you 5 points that you can contemplate. If you can prove all 5 statements false I'll repent and return to the organization.

Are you up for the challenge or are you simply trolling?

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Changed Will Watchtower You Get Nothing!

by Hadriel in

as i mentioned last week i'm a covert fade.

it dawned on me that i had the watchtower bible and tract society in my will.

i just changed it.

Hadriel

At the time it seemed so pure and appropriate. Now I just look at myself like what a loon!!!

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Changed Will Watchtower You Get Nothing!

by Hadriel in

as i mentioned last week i'm a covert fade.

it dawned on me that i had the watchtower bible and tract society in my will.

i just changed it.

Hadriel

@ParkAveBoy

you have no idea.

@DesirousChange

Ain't proud of it.

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Changed Will Watchtower You Get Nothing!

by Hadriel in

as i mentioned last week i'm a covert fade.

it dawned on me that i had the watchtower bible and tract society in my will.

i just changed it.

Hadriel

As I mentioned last week I'm a covert fade. It dawned on me that I had the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in my Will. I just changed it. The Watchtower will now receive nothing upon my death. Zero buptkis.

MEMO: to the Bethel Police that monitor sites such as this. It's only a matter of time before all the wells I mean Wills dry up!

My wife and I have had arguments of late as to how to proceed. It's like my family even internally has been weaponized against me.

I just want to leave peaceably, honestly that's all I want. Yet I can't because my wife is scared senseless of losing family. I don't blame her. It has become the principle of it to me though. I don't believe they have a right to force me to play by their terms. It's wrong. There is zero chance Christ would act in this manner or have such a structure that would weaponize family. It's not enough to simply take the bible at its word and limit social activity. Leave it up to the person and the congregation that knows the person. No instead you weaponize family causing pain and guilt. That just can't be right.

What right does a religion have to hold your family hostage. Is that the type of devotion God wants? Devotion under fire?

As I mentioned prior I'm a skilled person in the technology world. I can't say what I do as it would identify me unfortunately. It is taking all I have to not use 35 years of knowledge to mischievous use.

No I won't stoop to that level but I am beyond angry right now. They brooding in me angst that will be difficult to squelch. It's completely unnecessary to treat people in this manner.

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How do you tell your spouse you no longer believe in God?

by Darkknight757 in

so i was hoping to get some insight on this subject of telling your spouse that you no longer believe in god.

for two people who have been jehovahs witnesses for 20 years together, talking about this seems to be real hard for me.

i still pray with my wife before meals but that's about it.

Hadriel

@Anders makes a couple good points. One saving the marriage is of utmost importance. Two and I can't explain why this happens but it does, the wife often doesn't spend the time the fellas do in their due diligence. I wish I had the answer for that, but I don't.

In general I find you must have some solid ground to stand on for whatever it is you might believe.

I can't stress the NOT judging enough. For us it has been insurmountable to discuss both sides of the coin together. Rather than say "look at this" or "can't you see that". Those types of phrases will only beget negative reactions resulting in an immediate wall being put up.

All the best bud.

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How do you tell your spouse you no longer believe in God?

by Darkknight757 in

so i was hoping to get some insight on this subject of telling your spouse that you no longer believe in god.

for two people who have been jehovahs witnesses for 20 years together, talking about this seems to be real hard for me.

i still pray with my wife before meals but that's about it.

Hadriel

I think it's important to be out of the judging business.

What I mean is if you're honest there's no way to prove either perspective beyond any doubt. At least not in my mind. Oh you can make a case for a supreme being and you can make a case for not having one. But neither are absolute.

My wife has been feeling the same as you actually. For me I can't get past evolving from a single cell. Seems too much of a stretch. Again though after what we've experienced and the hypocrisy in general in religion can you blame a person for not believing in God? I can't. Add to the fact that if you believe the bible God killed a lot of folks. If a person today did what God supposedly did in the bible we'd call them a mass murder. There would be no justification.

In my mind then it is important to not be in the judging business. If there is a God do you think he would be offended for you being confused? He wouldn't if he is in fact loving for the multitude of religions and beliefs at a minimum have been horribly muddied.

Perhaps then, instead of focusing on your perspective you discuss both. How both have holes and that you shouldn't judge one another. For my wife and I that is where we are at. We accept that neither perspective can be proven without a doubt. As such we simply discuss the possibilities of both sides accepting the opposite perspective as a distinct possibility.

Best wishes...

H