Posts by Hadriel

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"I thought About You" Email

by BeautifulMind in

hey everyone!!

i hope everyone is doing good today.

i don't share or comment often, but i'm in the mood to do that today.

Hadriel

@Diogenesister my thought is along the lines of @jookbeard in that the rationales that are made are baffling. To think that I once did exactly the same is honestly embarrassing.

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"I thought About You" Email

by BeautifulMind in

hey everyone!!

i hope everyone is doing good today.

i don't share or comment often, but i'm in the mood to do that today.

Thanks so much for your kind words. It's Ironic you mention this. I've been feeling sad and withdrawn and wondered why. I've been trying to put my finger on what it is. You're email couldn't have been more timely. I watched the latest JW broadcasting and was really moved by the story of the kingdom hall/assembly hall that was being built but was held up due to a lack of sand for concrete. The story indicated how Jehovah showed his blessing via a typhoon washing up the needed sand. It made me think of the typhoon that washed away 33 lives in the Philippines a year earlier 22 of which were huddled in the kingdom hall likely praying for their lives.

You've helped me realize what's missing...

Friend's who can think for themselves and aren't utterly brainwashed.

Sincerely,

Your Name

I'm joking of course but I swear that's what you feel like replying with.

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New anti-spam measures

by Simon in

we've been bombarded by spam a number of times in the last few weeks and last night was the worst yet.

i already built some tools to make removing it easier because i think the longer it stays up, the more it encourages it, but still it's annoying to see and interferes with the operation of the site.

fortunately, we were able to catch and remove it relatively quickly.. i've now implemented and deployed some additional protection measures which i hope will better detect and block it from appearing in the first place.

Hadriel

@Simon

Not that he needs it necessarily but in Simon's defense there is no application that is impervious to exploits. Give the time and circumstance it's always possible. Hence it is always a constant battle. No magic wand is the point.

How long have you been using Google's captacha? I love that thing btw.

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elders wife swapping question

by unstopableravens in

i hear of these stories of elders swapping wives, i remember when i was young hearing of three elders in florida doing this and getting dfed.

my question is this how is it possible to bring this up in conversation?

it seems impossible, how can there be multi elders that know each other willing and the wives?

Hadriel

I know personally of special committees for handling these cases. I will say this the stories are big fish stories in that at least what I know of them, they were never whole congs. More like 2 to 3 couples. Usually involved alcohol, usually pretty young and usually not that seedy or contrived. What I mean is it was usually good ol' fashioned being amorous.

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Dear Jehovah's witnesses, a question....

by punkofnice in

dear jehovah's witnesses and on-the-fencers.. isn't it even a little bit obvious that the watchtower organisation doesn't have jehovah's blessing?.

if it did, why are your leaders, the governing body, asking you for your money and assets?

surely, jehovah would provide for the organisation without having to use your hard earned money and assets?.

Hadriel

@Finkelstein

You're totally right. we've discussed the same many times. The issues are that sooner or later you're effected by the Pharisaical manner in which the GB rules. Yes a joke but sometimes I wonder if you can even seen their faces anymore with the size of their scripture containing cases.

The point is at some point it becomes not worth it for the stress of always worrying about every step (not talking sin here just will this offend someone) you take, every word you say. I'm not saying it isn't good to consider others of course it is but it has gone so far beyond that. The bros are afraid to breath.

When guilt and fear are the initial feeling for everything you do that's a problem. Worse yet most don't realize that's the case. They're so much in a fog they think they're happy. They'll swear they are. I know as that's exactly what I did. If honest though you start to realize that a lifetime of being told you're basically not doing enough it wears on you and you see it for what it is.

At that point there's no conditional friendship worth that anguish.

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To me this seams like more than a coincidence ...

by Greybeard in

jw
friends

sorry if this has been discussed before.... for a few days now, this question has been going through my mind.

what was the date the governing body took the sole role of the faithful and discreet slave and how close was it to the end of the mayan calendar in december of 2012?

i looked it up on jwfactes.com and sure enough, checkout the date on this article:.

Hadriel

More likely someone of the anointed had a beef with the governing body and so they said, "oh really" now you are no longer a member of this FDS.

I've come to realize there's not been a single thing that became "new light" that didn't end up being merely fallout from some event. Literally like every thing.

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The wonderful things you hear AFTER you step down as an elder!

by redpilltwice in

well, well, that was quite a heartfelt welcome on this site four days ago.

thank you all for the encouraging replies.

one of them was this one from magnum: "hey now, don't just pop your head in and disappear.

Hadriel

what @wifibandit said...totally true. 100%.

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Guide to a Double Life: Don't Feel Guilty

by Hadriel in

first off lets be clear i wouldn't call it "double life" but rather life here today.

that said i'll give a little experience for those younger ones that may be thinking they wish to leave the organization but are too young to do so as they are under age.. field service was quite the regular occurrence in my household.

we never missed.

Hadriel

Ha ha nowhere near that age. That was many moons ago.

Remember the point I made. If you have no choice and you are underage what are you to do? You want to get on with your life but you're parents are not going to let you do that.

So the "charade" is your only option until you can leave home.

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Guide to a Double Life: Don't Feel Guilty

by Hadriel in

first off lets be clear i wouldn't call it "double life" but rather life here today.

that said i'll give a little experience for those younger ones that may be thinking they wish to leave the organization but are too young to do so as they are under age.. field service was quite the regular occurrence in my household.

we never missed.

Hadriel

First off lets be clear I wouldn't call it "Double Life" but rather life here today. That said I'll give a little experience for those younger ones that may be thinking they wish to leave the organization but are too young to do so as they are under age.

Field service was quite the regular occurrence in my household. We never missed. I was petrified because I didn't want to see any of my school friends out in the field. I've always had that gift of gab so it wasn't at all because I was afraid to speak, in fact at times I've had some fun discussions with those out in the field. Rather I just didn't want to see my friends come to the door.

So my partner in crime another brother at the time devised a plan. We would simply talk loudly to whomever we were working with and slightly bend our fingers back as we pressed the door bell. It worked masterfully. I was never caught. Even did it with the CO a few times. No one was the wiser.

There's one catch be prepared because some folks look for witnesses on Sat. am or at least they did so they may see you and open the door anyway LOL.

Girlfriends are always an important topic. I say this because so much is made of the "bloom of youth" but no one asks why God gave such immensely strong urges? It's almost like a sick joke! For myself and my brothers we were a bit cursed. We were pretty boys and got a fair amount of attention. This only made matters worse when it came to remaining clean in the eyes of the congregation. Needless to say we fell short of the ideal of remaining chaste before marriage. At that age having girls literally throw themselves your way is nearly impossible to turn down. I don't care how much prayer you do. The key thing I would stress here is that for whatever reason in those later teen years and into the early 20's those desires are crazy powerful. The urges are natural. You didn't put them there, don't allow others to make you feel evil and conflicted.

But how do you keep a girlfriend without others knowing about it? For one keep your mouth zipped. Don't even tell that close friend in the congregation. Why? Because at some point they'll get caught for something and some how you'll get wrapped up in his FULL confession. If at all possible don't date sisters and NEVER date a sister in your local hall, that's trouble waiting to happen. Non-JW's can never be compelled to out you. For the most part this idea that they are all immoral is a fallacy. They are just as inexperienced and uninformed as you are. Yes there are those floozie girls in high school but I found that most if not all were as I explained.

Play the part and don't allow others to have suspicions. Yes this sounds obvious but it requires work! You have to be prepared for meetings. Show that you've put the time in for any part you may be assigned and do it fully. Your best defense is to seem interested prepared and engaged. This is the toughest part of the double life as you likely don't want to do any of it. However this slight of hand is critical to your plan. When rumor comes around that you were seen here or there or kissing some girl or whatever this smokescreen goes a long long way. Witnesses love to discredit things rather than accept them for what they are. So give them good reason NOT to believe what they are hearing. The issue will likely go away on its own if you do.

Extra curricular activities are a big draw as they give youths the feeling of belonging and not being an outcast. This is for sure a tough sell with witness parents. You may think there's no way my parents will let me be part of a club or play sports. However if you "Play the Part" and are fully engaged with spiritual things there's a chance. Play to the heart explaining that school is difficult. That you're made fun of for really not being allowed to do anything. No holidays, no saluting the flag, no clubs, no sports, no association outside of school, no student council basically you don't exist unless you're in class. Explain that you are doing all you can with your spiritual studies, parts and service. That you will continue to do that however you need a compromise. You need to be able to do some activity just so you can fit in somehow and that you will never let your spiritual responsibilities lapse. Tell them to put you to the test and you'll prove it. This is what I did and it helped me fit in better and not get ridiculed so much. Again though you have to be willing to "Play the Part".

Going incognito today is critical. In my youth there was no caller id, no cell phones, no email essentially no way to track anything. With today's technology you can't be lazy you have to be careful not to leave a digital footprint. There are many ways to do this but again it takes work. You need to have multiple email accounts and social accounts. It's important that both types of accounts appear active. When you browse or are chatting/posting always use "Incognito" or "Private Browsing" modes on your browser. That includes your phone. In fact when you open up your browser you should immediately open private mode. It is a bit of a pain as you have to always login but it will prevent the trail that could ultimately bust you. When you sign up for social accounts NEVER let it attach your mobile number. This will try to sync up your contacts and poke those individuals leaving you exposed. Get a Google voice number on your secondary alias email account. These are free and can be used for SMS confirmation when setting up accounts so as not to expose your REAL mobile. If you really want to take it another step when browsing use TorBrowser.

Lastly, don't feel guilty. You are just wanting to integrate with other humans as intended. You have no malicious intent and you are the same person you've always been. I found that in large part the worst thing about non-JWs was the language. Outside of that they are largely just like you. Don't be ashamed of your sexuality. If God wanted you to not have such strong feelings why'd he give them to you? Those feelings were not your doing. This doesn't mean you should be careless or not exercise reasonable restraint for there are dangerous things out there namely disease. The point though is don't feel guilty about what's natural. I had a friend who was disfellowshipped for immorality. He was so effected by the indoctrination that he couldn't understand after doing all that was asked that he couldn't shut this off. In the end he took his own life because of what he perceived to be failure. I will never forget it as long as I live. This was a good person trying to live up to the standards set before him. He ended up losing life due to liking a girl at the age of 18.

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Counsel from Bro Losch (GB Member) to the Elders about the NFL

by James Jack in

while attending a week long training class for elders in patterson, bro losch gave the concluding talk about loyalty to the borg, which i was in awe of(i went more in detail in a recent post about a s.a.d.

where losch was the speaker).

at the end of his talk, here's what he said: .

Hadriel

Who's killed more the NFL or WTBS over banning blood and transplants? I rest your honor.