Was pretty big on the theocratic order deal, so yep. Assigned conventions too. Still feel that way actually. Order can be just fine, the problem arises when someone doesn't and you make them out to be evil simply because they want to go where their family does.
Hadriel
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Did you go to your ASSIGNED congregation?
by Zoos inthe rule was (is) that you go to your assigned congregation.. growing up, i think our family was in our assigned congregation only one of three times.
the family made two major moves when i was a kid and each time my folks would visit the various congregations in the area and pick the one with the most kids.
given our association restrictions with the world, they wanted to make sure we had plenty of friends.. i have to give them credit where due.
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Cappytan has made a video. Here is the link
by joe134cd inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsbfnzrbiqq
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What precisely is TTATT.
by atomant inpardon my ignorance but lm a newby in here.lve tried researching it but l cant find a definitive answer.ls it dealing with one particular subject or multiple subjects?.thankyou in advance.regards atomant.my mistake.i meant ttatt.sorry.
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Hadriel
The blatantly false teaching of 607 is what got me. This teaching was based loosely on Daniel 4 along with the Great Pyramid of Giza's dimensions (how on earth Russell sold this is still shocking to me but I digress). The only problem is a few years later cuneiform tablets started showing up. A few years after that thousands of these tablets were translated. To this day they are still translating and finding these cuneiform tablets. The Babylonians were master accountants. They recorded everything.
Just this past year more were found. It is clear by both documented business tablets along with those watching celestial events that are absolute in time have cooked the goose of the 607 teaching. It is a certainty that Jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587.
Why can't the Watchtower back off of this teaching and will manufacture unrecorded Kings or gaps in their reigns so as to keep this teaching? Without it there is no 1914, there is no 1919 (when authority was supposedly given to the WTBS) hence there's no Jehovah's Witnesses. It's that serious.
Lastly the mucking with the bible was the second thing that crushed my faith. For some time I have studied Koine Greek, really just for fun. The bible has categorically been changed to fit WT doctrine.
proskuneo (worship), elohim (true God or, God of gods), kyrios (Lord)
Those three words alone are monkeyed with so much the WT has painted themselves into a corner with contradictions. Why so many NWT revisions? Like the cartoon where another leak starts leaking the minute one is patched, the NWT receives patches on the regular.
What does Revelation 22:18,19 say about changing God's word??? Ummm yeah DON'T or the pelages in the bible will be brought upon you.
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Cappytan has made a video. Here is the link
by joe134cd inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsbfnzrbiqq
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Hadriel
@cappy touche' that was pretty funny.
btw I really never reported anything! just didn't feel like arg, helps no one.
honestly think u have a lurk-hater over there.
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exJW Billboard is up.
by cappytan inwaiting on higher resolution photos from wifibandit.. but here is the (redacted) notification from the company.
apparently they take photos with a potato.. (the billboard directs folks to http://jwawake.com ).
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Hadriel
That domain is merely a 301 (perm redirect) to jwsurvey
Is that correct?
So who's putting these up?
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Stepping out of the shadows
by contramundum ini have been lurking on the site for a few months and thought it about time i plucked up the courage to step out of the shadows and say hello.. i am in the process of fading after realizing all is not right with the organization i had trusted implicitly for over 40 years.
there have always been 'truths' i have struggled to accept entirely, even as a child, but was confident that trusting in jehovah, building my faith and remaining patient would be enough to settle any nagging doubts that remained, so i pushed any inconsistencies to the back of my mind and concentrated on being the best witness that i could be.. over the last few years, however, i have been preoccupied with a number of crises in my family and stepping back slightly from 'theocratic' activity has allowed me to re evaluate a number of concerns and research sources other than the sanitized wt publications.. my eyes are now wide open - i found things which have appalled me and left me feeling extremely let down and disappointed by people i had really trusted.. i tried gently raising a few subjects with my mum (who was baptized early '70s and still remains a staunch wt supporter) but she will hear no criticism of the organization.
i understand this because the best part of her life has been invested in the religion and to acknowledge it may have got things wrong would be to recognize the last 40 years have been a vain waste.
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+1 @Magnum
Exactly the same with me. There were always things that didn't seem right, but I put them on the back burner thinking (and being told) that I would get answers in the future. I didn't. In fact, the opposite happened; the issues/questions grew in intensity and number.
In all seriousness that is a profound statement really. I think we all put things aside were company women/men only to run out of excuses for things.
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Stepping out of the shadows
by contramundum ini have been lurking on the site for a few months and thought it about time i plucked up the courage to step out of the shadows and say hello.. i am in the process of fading after realizing all is not right with the organization i had trusted implicitly for over 40 years.
there have always been 'truths' i have struggled to accept entirely, even as a child, but was confident that trusting in jehovah, building my faith and remaining patient would be enough to settle any nagging doubts that remained, so i pushed any inconsistencies to the back of my mind and concentrated on being the best witness that i could be.. over the last few years, however, i have been preoccupied with a number of crises in my family and stepping back slightly from 'theocratic' activity has allowed me to re evaluate a number of concerns and research sources other than the sanitized wt publications.. my eyes are now wide open - i found things which have appalled me and left me feeling extremely let down and disappointed by people i had really trusted.. i tried gently raising a few subjects with my mum (who was baptized early '70s and still remains a staunch wt supporter) but she will hear no criticism of the organization.
i understand this because the best part of her life has been invested in the religion and to acknowledge it may have got things wrong would be to recognize the last 40 years have been a vain waste.
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Hadriel
You're going through nearly verbatim what we have just a couple months ago. I FEEL every word your writing as those feelings were nearly duplicate of my own.
I'm not close to the only one. Many hear will chime in to say much the same.
The disappointment is a big thing. You think how can this be? You'll look at the same information multiple times thinking it will change? You'll pray for the things you've learned to not be true!
You are absolutely NOT alone. You're feelings are valid not because those here want to love-bomb you but because they are real and factual.
As to what to do with the inquiries. Say as little as possible. It is really difficult as a Fade to keep it zipped. Not because you're a fault finder but because you know things now that are so blatantly false so you can't help but want to say "that's just not accurate".
For that reason and I'm sort of being funny here but don't trust yourself. Keep it short and sweet. Be vague. "i'm fine just going through some difficulties". If they press. "I'm not ready to talk about it but I really appreciate you checking up on me".
All the best, welcome to the forum. Great folks here.
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Cappytan has made a video. Here is the link
by joe134cd inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsbfnzrbiqq
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Hadriel
"user removed video" - rookie move!
j/k look forward to seeing it.
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Hey ya'll! My first post. Please help. In need of advice/comfort.
by Stepford Wife inhey ya'll!
i have been lurking for years on this site and others but never had the courage to post anything.
actually i was afraid of posting on an apostate site in the event i was wrong.
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@JamesMixon
That is absolutely possible. The difference here is this woman is a baptized witness of JW. That makes a huge difference as in all likelihood the husband would be disqualified.
See 1 Tim 3:4 a man presiding over his own household in a fine manner, having his children in subjection with all seriousness
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Does Believing in God Make You Dumb?
by Brokeback Watchtower inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzqaeusdmtk.
http://jdc.jefferson.edu/jmbcimfp/5/.
abstract.
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Hadriel
Bill Maher if any of you watch him said something interesting and I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something like the following:
I will say that religious people tend to sleep easier at night when their head hits the pillow.
For most I would say this is pretty relevant. No matter your belief system death still sucks.