Posts by Hadriel

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

The insatiable desire to bring God into the equation is exhausting.

I used the world intelligence for a reason. What that intelligence is, is irrelevant as it pertains to this discussion.

The reality is you can no more prove that evolution and the evidence of it was a result of chance then creationists can prove that it is the result of an intelligent design.

I opened the door, with an open mind but this refusal to admit ALL the possibilities is ridiculous. You're just as bad as those you're ridiculing.

I would think we're better than demanding that there's only one hypothesis but apparently not.

To suggest others are ignorant as they won't agree with you is bush-league.

When I posted the topic I was and still am very serious about the topic. It appears I must buy into one line of evidence or else. That simply wont' fly for me.

If you wish to provide thoughts or hypotheses on the driver event and how it came about I'm all ears....

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

you refuse to investigate honestly because you are holding on to a god-of-the-gaps argument.

Categorically false on all levels.

Could some unknown event start the chance causing the evidence that we see today...YES

Could intelligence be the genesis of life causing the evidence in evolution/adaptation...YES

Years ago I was on the thankless path of becoming a marine biologists. One thing you learn quickly really in science in general is that often it is more important to prove what CANNOT be true than what CAN be true.

In this case as to the initial catalyst you cannot prove without doubt that either CANNOT be true.

Perhaps some day we will.

Lastly it has nothing to do with God per se. The question is and since we cannot define the driver is intelligence required to beget intelligence or can intelligence be generated by a chance chemically charged event.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

The driver is natural selection.

Natural selection has little to do with amino acids being charged to begin protein chaining.

Unless there's proof of this happening by chance I see no way to prove this dilemma one way or the other. It's simply unknown to say otherwise without admitting the possibility of the contrary is just not realistic.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

As I said from the get go...I see evidence of evolution and/or adaptation

However its evidence does prove a catalyst by happenstance nor does it prove intelligence as the catalyst.

If you argue this you're not being realistic. Why? Because the driver is unknown.

You can have the believe that it was happenstance/chance however you cannot prove that catalyst anymore than a creationist can prove an intelligent being kicking it all off.

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Marking Talk of Couple

by Hadriel in

at no time did the elders ever mention apostasy.

days later after a shepherding call which only covered child abuse handling they are being marked as if they are trying to get their own followers etc.

so so sad.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ktm7fsqwrw.

Hadriel

At no time did the elders ever mention apostasy. Not once. Days later after a shepherding call which ONLY covered child abuse handling they are being marked as if they are trying to get their own followers etc.

So so sad...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ktm7fsqWrw

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

Just so you guys know I believe it to be rather convenient to not want to concede that because you can't explain the driver or abiogenesis that somehow it doesn't matter.

It does because if that catalyst was intelligent then you'd be left with intelligence cause evolutionary results.

Creationism has the very same problem. If you can't solve that puzzle you can't disprove that a single cataclysmic event cause a reactionary event which resulted in the chain of evolution starting.

if there was a reasonable explanation for self replicating RNA it might be more clear however as it stands there's simply no such animal unless I'm missing something.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

No. Those of us who accept the fact of evolution have a testable answer that explains the last 3.8 billion years of life on earth.

...and I get this but if intelligence initiated life you must conclude that the evolution that ensued could very well be a result of that design.

In other words this proof could be proof of life by happenstance or by design.

Without the important piece of the initial driver I don't see how anyone can be absolute.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

As I admitted earlier that there are a minimum evidences of adaptation, even evolution.

however does evolution begin without abiogenesis? No it does not.

As such we simply can't definitively say whether evolution was kickstarted by some random event or by an intelligent being.

How those amino acids to proteins to protein chains were charged is important. To me it is not wanting to admit the obvious.

In a sense creationists and evolutionists have the same damn problem. Proof of the driver that started it all.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

@anders It does bug me that when don't know what this driver is. If proteins suddenly began to chain ultimately kickstarting life as we know it, not knowing the driver that started this reaction leaves us with a dilemma in my mind.

That being this driver could be an intelligent creator or it could be some unknown reactionary event. Either way you slice it you cannot say definitively either way.

We may not know in my life time, in fact I'm rather certain we wont.

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Any thought behind your " Avatar"

by The Rebel in

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i think that's the correct phrase?

anyway when i first came here, that little picture that "the rebel" hides behind, was a self portrait of a very sad man, who simply had too much knowledge.

now i feel after 7 months here, i should repaint that " avetor" give some happiness to the eyes, and a contented smile to the lips.. in short my " avetor" was a self portrait of a man with too much knowledge.

Hadriel

...use ur brain.