Posts by Hadriel

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

Lots of people conveniently want to exclude the initial catalyst.

I'm more than happy to admit that there is evidence of evolution.

You are unwilling to admit that intelligence could have kicked off the whole thing.

Just because not knowing this initial driver doesn't fit your narrative doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

It's like taking any animate object and saying well it's chemical makeup proves no on had a hand in making it. You simply can't make that claim without proving that it's makeup can come about by happenstance.

We need to know the catalyst to rule out that intelligence was not involved.

That's how I see it. I don't see how this is unreasonable.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

In what way does common ancestry say that it was the definitive result of happenstance rather than an intelligent catalyst?

Are you saying that an intelligent source couldn't or would not create the same resulting evidence? If yes what's the proof of that?

I don't see where it can be proved one way or the other since we can't define the initial driver that started it all.

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Prince is dead.

by DATA-DOG in

has anyone heard about this?

that really sucks.

lots of dubs are talking.

Hadriel

This is what it sounds like when dubs cry

Way too soon...

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

@cofty I believe that the evidence supports that genetically speaking even some of the simplest of organisms share a commonality, yes.

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Marking Talk of Couple

by Hadriel in

at no time did the elders ever mention apostasy.

days later after a shepherding call which only covered child abuse handling they are being marked as if they are trying to get their own followers etc.

so so sad.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ktm7fsqwrw.

Hadriel

@jookbeard no they are in Wash. state. Some call him "Big Black Jak" if you've heard that name before.

Tremendous couple they are really nice. He was serving etc. Whole family was very active.

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Proof God Does NOT Exist

by Hadriel in

o.k.

here's just a little fun, you guys can run with it.. if god existed would he allow the whacktower to be in business?

just sayin... lol.

Hadriel

If this topic were a football game @prologos would have just run a 9 route for 100 plus yards...brother going deep!

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

The insatiable desire to bring God into the equation is exhausting.

I used the world intelligence for a reason. What that intelligence is, is irrelevant as it pertains to this discussion.

The reality is you can no more prove that evolution and the evidence of it was a result of chance then creationists can prove that it is the result of an intelligent design.

I opened the door, with an open mind but this refusal to admit ALL the possibilities is ridiculous. You're just as bad as those you're ridiculing.

I would think we're better than demanding that there's only one hypothesis but apparently not.

To suggest others are ignorant as they won't agree with you is bush-league.

When I posted the topic I was and still am very serious about the topic. It appears I must buy into one line of evidence or else. That simply wont' fly for me.

If you wish to provide thoughts or hypotheses on the driver event and how it came about I'm all ears....

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

you refuse to investigate honestly because you are holding on to a god-of-the-gaps argument.

Categorically false on all levels.

Could some unknown event start the chance causing the evidence that we see today...YES

Could intelligence be the genesis of life causing the evidence in evolution/adaptation...YES

Years ago I was on the thankless path of becoming a marine biologists. One thing you learn quickly really in science in general is that often it is more important to prove what CANNOT be true than what CAN be true.

In this case as to the initial catalyst you cannot prove without doubt that either CANNOT be true.

Perhaps some day we will.

Lastly it has nothing to do with God per se. The question is and since we cannot define the driver is intelligence required to beget intelligence or can intelligence be generated by a chance chemically charged event.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

The driver is natural selection.

Natural selection has little to do with amino acids being charged to begin protein chaining.

Unless there's proof of this happening by chance I see no way to prove this dilemma one way or the other. It's simply unknown to say otherwise without admitting the possibility of the contrary is just not realistic.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

As I said from the get go...I see evidence of evolution and/or adaptation

However its evidence does prove a catalyst by happenstance nor does it prove intelligence as the catalyst.

If you argue this you're not being realistic. Why? Because the driver is unknown.

You can have the believe that it was happenstance/chance however you cannot prove that catalyst anymore than a creationist can prove an intelligent being kicking it all off.