Hi. I'm sorry to hear of your experience, but he sounds like a total jerk. You are better off now with the lesson learnt.
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JW played me and broke my heart
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VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!
by Blablaman innot long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.
vote now!.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .
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Blablaman
That's a shame you feel it's unfair. I'm not sure I understand what you see as being unfair.
What I must make clear is; I don't consider the JW individual congregational members bad in any way. Although, they may be naive and emotionally weak... as you rightly say, they are mostly good eggs. But charitable?... No. JW's are the least charitable of any religion I know. They will always help the flock first; it's written to be that way; " Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock" . Can anybody tell one example of a good and charitable event (for the general public's benefit) that was instigated by JW's or the WTBTS? I never see anything advertised on the web, or locally... what people do and believe in is up to them, providing it does not impinge on me and public funds in a way that is bias. As ully made clear by now, my main gripe is about any possible abuse of Gift Aid and Charity Status. All the stuff from the USA WT is another bag of ...
"What about my tax that I've paid? Do I have a choice as to how it gets spent?"
"You do with GiftAid."
To a point I agree. However, it's clearly being abused. IMO JW’s and the WTBTS are just one such example.
Religions IMO should not by default be awarded charity status, that is unless they are providing clear services to the greater public benefit, that is, beyond the printing and publishing of religious rhetoric.
Consider every registered religion in the UK, and the UK Treasury subsidising the printing, publishing and distribution of all religious literature/events. At what cost in Tax Relief is this to the UK? It’s highly likely £xxx millions. The average Atheist or Agnostic does not benefit from Tax Relief to support his/her cause in a similar context? Democracy my arse! This is why I feel so strongly about this. Why should the nation subsidise religions that many people do not even know about, let alone care about?
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VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!
by Blablaman innot long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.
vote now!.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .
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If enough of us write to Charity Commission and include enough clear evidence why the JW congregations and WTBTS should not be eligible for charity status, they cannot ignore us. Maybe do the same to the government? I'm going to start this by gathering data in one file in spread sheet format so every entry can be referenced.
I think a new thread is required.
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VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!
by Blablaman innot long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.
vote now!.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .
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VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!
by Blablaman innot long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.
vote now!.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .
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Blablaman
Thanks Ernest for confirming that;
a. "The UK Treasury then pays out £25".
b. The JW "congregations claim back the tax".
Apart from the fact your maths are incorrect, you are clarifying the fact that it is Treasury funds, paid as Tax Relief. So what you are saying is; the specific tax paid is your money. So, with this in mind; you own the tax that you paid that now resides in the Treasury coffers? NO, the Treasury control that money, and they choose where it is spent. It's just a technicality that all the JW congregations and The Bible and Tract Society of GB get this Gift Aid money because they are registered charities.
What about my tax that I've paid? Do I have a choice as to how it gets spent? Beyond voting, no not really. So, because one is a "Religion", they are the exception to the rule... Is that right and good? Are all religions good? IMO I don't think so.
I find it strange and disturbing how people choose to interpret facts, especially those which written as rules and therefore must be correct and adhered to! Please watch this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScZzQgs_C8k&list=UU077xId1LlVwMHsiJUQQGzQ&index=13&feature=plcp
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VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!
by Blablaman innot long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.
vote now!.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .
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Blablaman
I wouldn't mind if the individual congregational members were claiming back the tax/Gift Aid, but their not!
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VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!
by Blablaman innot long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.
vote now!.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .
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Blablaman
Thanks for your rather rude, yet incorrect post; I'm certain I understand clearly the manner by which the Gift Aid payment schemes work.
I don't understand your stance with most of the points you raise. You appear to playing devil’s advocate. Why? I don't know... Correct me if I’m wrong, but you also appear to be of the opinion that it’s OK for UK Treasury tax funds to be siphoned off into a wacky and quasi-religion, let alone that some of these funds are likely to end up in the USA WT coffers!
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By what name should Christ's followers be known?
by The Searcher inat isaiah 43:12, jehovah said to his fleshly nation of israel, "you are my witnesses.
" after christ's death, the literal jewish nation was cast off as god's chosen people, (matt.
21:43) and jehovah now allowed gentiles to join those jews who accepted christ as the messiah, to become part of the 'israel of god'.
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Blablaman
"Sheep" is a pretty good, accurate name that the WT seem to have adopted. So, I'll stick with that!
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VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!
by Blablaman innot long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.
vote now!.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .
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Blablaman
And what of the following taken from the 2011 Charities Act;
The Commission has the following objectives—
1.The public confidence objective
The public confidence objective is to increase public trust and confidence in charities.
2.The public benefit objective
The public benefit objective is to promote awareness and understanding of the operation of the public benefit requirement.
3.The compliance objective
The compliance objective is to promote compliance by charity trustees with their legal obligations in exercising control and management of the administration of their charities.
4.The charitable resources objective
The charitable resources objective is to promote the effective use of charitable resources.
5.The accountability objective
The accountability objective is to enhance the accountability of charities to donors, beneficiaries and the general public.Public confidence? I think they are drastically out numbered... by 62.5 million 130,000.
Public benefit? No.
The compliance objective? A legal get out clause ...
The charitable resources objective? Kindom Halls? Conventions? Walking the streets knocking on doors, printing WT twaddle? Resourses spent in the UK from the £40 million the Bible and Tract Society spent? A lot was spent abroad. Who knows?... because I can't find the information and detail I would like. It's not available.
The accountability objective? I can't find accounts to most of the 1400 or so JW charities, so again I can't say this is being met.
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VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!
by Blablaman innot long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.
vote now!.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .
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Blablaman
Ernest.
The money that is paid into Jehovah Witness congregational funds never ever get paid into the UK Treasury (because they are Tax exempt, however, it is accounted for). Yet, the UK Treasury is paying OUT money to UK Jehovah's Witness Congregational Charities on the basis there has been money "donated to the given charities".That is not their money, it's ours, all of ours.