many people find it difficult to reconcile suffering and existence of god.
it seems they feel that it is god’s obligation to shield humans from ill-effects of their short-sighted acts..
people’s hobby has something to do with this kind of reasoning!
We have no answer to the question “Will God intervene if he cares for mankind?” We can only say it is good if He does.
But I personally feel that He should not intervene, and this system of things should end in a nuclear holocaust. Why do we need humans on earth who do not care for fellow humans, other species and the environment itself? How long can a person expect to cut a branch and continue to sit on?
many people find it difficult to reconcile suffering and existence of god.
it seems they feel that it is god’s obligation to shield humans from ill-effects of their short-sighted acts..
people’s hobby has something to do with this kind of reasoning!
Many people find it difficult to reconcile suffering and existence of God. It seems they feel that it is God’s obligation to shield humans from ill-effects of their short-sighted acts.
People’s hobby has something to do with this kind of reasoning! When something good happens, they easily see their hard-work as the cause behind it. When something goes wrong, they seek to blame others, which goes even up to God.
Yet it is not very difficult to see cause behind suffering here on earth itself without going out into outer-space. In the case of individual, our vision may be limited. Yet in the case of nations, we can see cause behind their suffering. Jews are a sample case. They have been a suffering nation many a time. William Shakespeare knew Jews mainly as money lenders (for example, The Merchant of Venice)—a trade that has the potential to invoke enmity in others. Jesus knew them as those creating trouble even for the innocent. (Mathew 23:37) Their forefathers adopted an exclusive mentality saying they are the chosen people of God and others are pagan, which too made people inimical toward them. Another example is of African nations who are known for their poverty. Even when the affluent restrict the number of children being born to them, the poverty-stricken nation do not seem to show any restraints in this vital aspects—which invite suffering for them.
If such short-sighted acts of nations can bring suffering for them, the same principle applies to individuals too though cause may not be visible at times.
i am amazed at how people will go to extreme stretches of logic to explain or justify the supposed actions of their god (lower case g intentional, no upper case deserved).
i have seen people with wonderful bullshit detectors in normal life, throw all of that ability away in order to retain their hope of a creator who cares for them.
i am agnostic, certainly not atheistic, since i think atheism is not provable.
Cofty,
I do not have a definition of God. I was just saying my position: We can find both: order and disorder, suffering and sorrow, rich and poor, health and disease, pleasure and pain ….. Taking one side, one can say there exists a God whereas taking other side, one can say God does not exist.
The very fact that religions do not agree with each other shows that God is not interested in people having correct knowledge about Him. If He is not interested, Why should we?
If you are in the Now (being fully involved in whatever you do), you are in heaven [if you are distracted, or if you try to correct other people, have expectation from others, do things the society does not approve ... you make your life a hell]. It means Heaven can be a reality in your life even if you do not believe in God or not.
i am amazed at how people will go to extreme stretches of logic to explain or justify the supposed actions of their god (lower case g intentional, no upper case deserved).
i have seen people with wonderful bullshit detectors in normal life, throw all of that ability away in order to retain their hope of a creator who cares for them.
i am agnostic, certainly not atheistic, since i think atheism is not provable.
xelder,
You very truthfully put: “the Bible is clearly a record of people's attempts to justify their actions and beliefs by transferring those actions and desires to be in line with god's will.”
Recently, Christendom theologians have come out with their "best" explanation of suffering—Suffering exists because ‘God too wants to experience suffering through the suffering of humans, or when we go through suffering, Jesus and His Father are completing their suffering through us.’
There is order in the universe (hence the word cosmos) which argues for God's existence. Then there is also chaos in the universe which argues against the existence of God. That means God has left the belief optional, leaving each one to come to his own conclusion.
according to quantum theory and non-locality, two particles, can act in unity.
for example, take a and b (photons or electrons for example).
pair them, then separate them, and put them on either side of the planet.
Prologos,
You put a great truth in a humorous tone.
Your comments remind me something else: God’s style of functioning! In some major religions, the word God as they use in their language also means “one who acts in a way that he does not exist” which enables each person to have his own conclusion about God. When we see order in the universe, one can say He exists, yet one can also see chaos where he can also say He does not exist. Why, even when scriptures are trampled with, He does not prevent it.
according to quantum theory and non-locality, two particles, can act in unity.
for example, take a and b (photons or electrons for example).
pair them, then separate them, and put them on either side of the planet.
sparky1,
You completed my post. Thanks for that!
according to quantum theory and non-locality, two particles, can act in unity.
for example, take a and b (photons or electrons for example).
pair them, then separate them, and put them on either side of the planet.
Answer could be: Either God did not use His spirit to guide the organization, or when He sent His spirit, WC did not listen at all because of their preconceived ideas - their own opinions, prejudices, conclusions - and these obviously became a barrier and prevented them from listening. After all, if one is to listen, one must be attentive. And there is no attention if one is occupied with one's own thoughts, conclusions, opinions, evaluations -then all communication ceases. Communication is not a one-sided affair. Both the parties must be in communion with each other in all aspects.
according to quantum theory and non-locality, two particles, can act in unity.
for example, take a and b (photons or electrons for example).
pair them, then separate them, and put them on either side of the planet.
According to Quantum Theory and non-locality, two particles, can act in unity. For example, take A and B (photons or electrons for example). Pair them, then separate them, and put them on either side of the planet. Stimulate particle A, and particle B will react without any perceivable time delay.
In other words both particles act at the same moment in time regardless of distance. This is remarkable right, how can this be? We need to have a physical connection, we need to observe some kind of interconnecting frequency waveform or something! This also means we’ve got an interaction between particles happening way beyond the speed of light,
Let us now duplicate the above drama. Take two conscious entities—Supreme Father in heaven, and some “chosen ones” in the Writing Department in Brooklyn : Father gets a stimulation that He should transfer some vital information to the few in the Writing Department, and causes the same stimulation in the recipients and transfers the information. [This is very much possible as parties involved are much more than mere photons or electrons.] Yet, Writing Department made many mistakes! What would vouch for this unnatural outcome from this 'spirit-guided org'?
Jesus stood for leading a simple (material) life and very rich spiritual life. However, leaders (business, political and religious) stand for material abundance. This is a stand that can be described with the meaning of the term "anti."
Interestingly, I had a dream of Trump making it to the presidency sometime back when he made the controversial statement about abortion.
when you think about it , in this 21st century of enlightenment , the explosion of information technology in all fields imaginable , yet the majority of humans of all faiths live their lives according to ancient scriptures / writings etc.for a world long past its use by date.. the bible says" faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for " none of the expectations hoped for in the jehovah`s witness religion ever eventuated , and neither has it in any other faith .. faith , of no matter what belief , is the carrot on the end of a stick leading the gullible on , and on , and on .and on.. smiddy.
Yes, I agree. Scriptures are human answers to human question.
When something is of human origin, it is definitely based on guess work, and it is inevitable bound to bring disagreement, hence split and sects.
