<<Make sure you check out the laws for the state in which you live>>
Lilac:
I live in Arizona, where it is legal to walk around with a gun strapped to your hip. Because of that, A lot of bad guys die here.
Target
i need some unbiased advice.it is so hard to know just what to do.
this is the situation.
on father's day my son and his wife and two little boys came over for the morning.
<<Make sure you check out the laws for the state in which you live>>
Lilac:
I live in Arizona, where it is legal to walk around with a gun strapped to your hip. Because of that, A lot of bad guys die here.
Target
i need some unbiased advice.it is so hard to know just what to do.
this is the situation.
on father's day my son and his wife and two little boys came over for the morning.
Lilac:
He will be inside the house all right. We will see to that. I bet this guy has a criminal history and has been in jail a few times. Then he is right back out doing it again. There is only one way these guys stop.
Target
i need some unbiased advice.it is so hard to know just what to do.
this is the situation.
on father's day my son and his wife and two little boys came over for the morning.
Lilac:
We know he took the cordless phone. We could hear when he click it on to listen. All he would have had to do is dial his home number from my son's phone and his caller ID would give him the number.
I don't have great hopes about the police because they will not be there when the guys returns. They show up AFTER the fact. We will involve the police, but we can't sit back and hope they will take care of it because it won't go that way. We have to be prepared to take care of this guy ourselves if need be and let the cops deal with the details. Guys like this have a history of such stuff and have gotten away with it and they think they are so smart. They think they can scare people into hiding in the corner. Not this time. Not this family. He will not be out there to do it again. Ever.
Target
i need some unbiased advice.it is so hard to know just what to do.
this is the situation.
on father's day my son and his wife and two little boys came over for the morning.
Andi:
There is another young couple back in Wisconsin who they had been friends with for years. That couple are diehard JW and took such offense when my son told them to watch Dateline. They said that was apostate thinking and they would not be e-mailing them anymore. That couple has had labradors for years so you would think that they would have had some feeling when they were told how this young dog died. Not a word from them. But then, they are the same ones who said that abused children should be quiet and quit bringing reproach on Jehovah's organzation. I am sure that if this pervert were to get ahold of this little 4 year old they would say it is their own fault for leaving the borg. Yep, they sure know about love!
The thing is with this stalker, we are not just going to keep trying to avoid him. We are going to find him and take our own action. Restraining orders aren't worth the paper they are written on when it comes to guys like this. Like I said, I think I know right about where he lives. I will go by there until I see his car and if it is the same car, I will stand right out there taking pictures. You know, these guys don't want to be caught. They sure don't want their pictures taken. The pictures are for evidence if we need it too
target (that name kind of has a different meaning lately)
i need some unbiased advice.it is so hard to know just what to do.
this is the situation.
on father's day my son and his wife and two little boys came over for the morning.
Closer
I will keep you posted. My gut feeling is that this guy will either be caught or killed.
Also, they are looking into moving a quite a distance from where they are, not because of this, but because of the business they run from home. They have a ton of inventory and they need a bigger place. This just gave them reason to do it a little sooner.
I think this guy thinks he is a lot smarter than he is, otherwise he would not have been dumb enough to let us see his car. All I have to do is find that car in their neighborhood. We know he lives close enough to use the cordless phone that he took. I have a good idea which block he lives on but I can't go nosing around when I have the kids and pup here.
target
i need some unbiased advice.it is so hard to know just what to do.
this is the situation.
on father's day my son and his wife and two little boys came over for the morning.
Bttt
target
i need some unbiased advice.it is so hard to know just what to do.
this is the situation.
on father's day my son and his wife and two little boys came over for the morning.
L:isa:
Those are all great ideas. I will pass it on.
The children are 4years and 22 months. The 4 year old does not talk to people he does not know at all. He is real leary of people. The 22 month is just starting to talk. They do not go to school or day care.I have them at my house for a couple of days until the full security system is installed. They are having the additional sending unit installed in the attic that does not use the phone line or electric so if those are disabled, it will still send.
They do have a couple of cops living on their block.
Where we live the mail boxes are locked. Theirs is not. I think holding the mail is a good idea.
Target
i need some unbiased advice.it is so hard to know just what to do.
this is the situation.
on father's day my son and his wife and two little boys came over for the morning.
A couple of other things that I forgot to mention.
The week before the dog was killed, my daughter-in-law could not find her keys for a couple of days. She used my sons keys to go to the grocery store. When she got home it was dark. She was taking the groceries into the house and her purse was still in the car.
Later when my son asked for his keys back, she looked in the outside pocket of her purse for them and her keys were there too!
Another thing is that she has been getting all this e-mail from porno sites and lately it has been all rape porno.
They do have the shredder. The thing is, she runs a business from home and they had changed their personal number to the business number and got a new one for the personal number so the person could have called on either number. He wanted them to know that he had their new number. My son has installed an intirely different phone in his office now.
Awhile back her business web site was hacked and a lot of porno was put on it and threats to her. They called the FBI but nothing came of it. The FBI isn't much interested in little businesses.
I have a feeling this is not just going to go away. It is going to have a bad ending. Hopefully for the stalker.
Target
i need some unbiased advice.it is so hard to know just what to do.
this is the situation.
on father's day my son and his wife and two little boys came over for the morning.
He has put up motion detector lights and alarms. He has bought a Berreta 9mm and they went to the target range and he was experienced but she was not. She did real well. He is also well trained in Kung Fu. He is going to the "Spy Store" for some of the things that were suggested here.
I am glad I have the boys (4 years and 22 months) with me in a different city.And the pup. This is a sicko. He is a stalker and a pedophile. When we looked up the profile for stalkers on the internet it named all the things that have happened. They do like to kill pets. He was a beatiful dog. He swam with the kids every day. We will check out the cop site. It is hard to think straight when all this is happening so I really appreciate the help from everyone.
Target
i need some unbiased advice.it is so hard to know just what to do.
this is the situation.
on father's day my son and his wife and two little boys came over for the morning.
I need some unbiased advice.It is so hard to know just what to do. This is the situation. On Father's Day my son and his wife and two little boys came over for the morning. When they went home my son went to take the 4 year old swimming and when he opened the pool gate and went to untie the dog, he saw the dog hanging. He ushered the 4 year old back into the house so he did not see this gruesome site. The dog had been tide by an outside shower stall and it 'appeared' that this 18 month old chocolate lab had for some mysterious reason , gone inside this small stall and jumped straight up 5 1/2 feet over the wall and hung himself. This was a wall that he could easily walk around the outside of and knew there was nothing on the other side. The top of his head was a little bloody. This dog had never jumped on anything before. I told my son that I thought it was real suspicious be he did not think so at the time. As the week went on we started thinking about other things that had been happening. Such as:
They had just changed their phone number and only about 4 people knew it. My daughter in law got a filthy phone call while I was there. They guy called her by name. He said he was coming over. How did he get the number. We tried every way we could come up with and we could not get that number to come up. It was not in the system yet.
The cordless phone from my son's home office was missing. When paged, there was no answer. We looked in every inch of the house and it was gone. When we were talking on the phone line, it often sounded like someone picked up an extension.
My daughter-in-law kept having a 'feeling' about the little boy's bedroom window and checked it every day. One day she found it was unlocked. None of us had done it.
A small jade tree plant outside my son's office window had the bottom branch broke off a few days after the dog died. It was in a position that if you were trying to look in the window and stepped closer without looking down, you would step right on that branch.
I took my dog over there and walked him around the house and every time he got to the children's bedroom window he got real interested in the scent on the ground under it.
A rubber mallet is missing from the tool box right before the dog died.
My daughter-in-law heard something in the attic right over the garage. She listened and heard it again. She went in the house and locked the door.
When my son got home Friday he said when he stepped in the house he had this overwhelming feeling that someone had been in the house.
He went right out and bought new locks for the whole house. Dead bolts. Motion detector lights and alarms. ADT is being installed Wednesday.
The children and new pup are staying at my house.
Friday night I told my son on the phone that his Dad and I were going to park out in front of his house after dark. We were parked a short while when this car came from around the corner of the street that goes behind his house. It quickly parked way down the street. My husband and I both felt someone watching us intently. The car was there about 3 minutes when it started up and came down the street toward us rather fast. When it got right up to us it swung over right in front of us so its headlights were shining right in at us and then quickly swung back over and went past us fast. I got the impression that the driver was pissed.
Now where do we go from here. If we call the cops, what do we say? That they got home and the dog was dead. They lost their phone and the window was unlocked. A bush got broken and they have 'feelings'. I don't think they would call any of it hard evidence. We feel this guy lives close by because of using the phone. We feel he is a pedophile and is after the 4 year old. He killed the dog so he could come back and not be attacked. He hung him in a fashion that would traumatize the children when they saw it. He wanted that. As it is, my son and daughter-in-law cannot get the image out of their minds. I am so glad the 4 year old did not see it. He went into a deep depression when he realized his dog had "left" and is paranoid that the new puppy will 'go away' too. We are all so emotional about this that it is hard to know what is fact and what is imagination.
Target
Edited by - Target on 24 June 2002 15:39:46