"Something that doesn't to make US history books is post 1970, the South
Vietnam army had become a capable fighting force, the government was
rather stable and the communists had become rather unpopular in the
South. The whole anti-war movement was more about the prospect of rich
kids getting drafted than an actual moral opposition to the war."
Hmmm. Well...you're an interesting cat. You seem to believe Vietnam could have been salvaged post 1970. I think the idea is fruit loops.
Just curious, did you read Robert McNamara's memoir / mea culpa that he put out in the mid 90s?
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Will Ukraine win?
by Fisherman ini was under the impression that it was going to be a short war, that russia’s military would indeed subdue ukraine’s forces quickly but that is not happening.
seems that russia’s military power is much less than it’s reputed to be.
no guess how it will all end..
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BettyHumpter
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Will Ukraine win?
by Fisherman ini was under the impression that it was going to be a short war, that russia’s military would indeed subdue ukraine’s forces quickly but that is not happening.
seems that russia’s military power is much less than it’s reputed to be.
no guess how it will all end..
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BettyHumpter
"and then pulled all funding for ARVN. No bullets, no paychecks"
Not completely true.
Fiscal year July 1974-June 1975 Congress approved $700 million in aid. Nixon had requested $1.45 Billion.
You may be right that the ARVN could have held the line on their own given enough aid. I don't know enough about the endgame of Vietnam to say. But no way would ground troops or air support have remained or rather,been recommitted at that point. It seems to me we had been running on the sunk cost fallacy already for years. -
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Will Ukraine win?
by Fisherman ini was under the impression that it was going to be a short war, that russia’s military would indeed subdue ukraine’s forces quickly but that is not happening.
seems that russia’s military power is much less than it’s reputed to be.
no guess how it will all end..
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BettyHumpter
"Perhaps Japan felt that an attack on Hawai's military was justified given the encroachment of whitey on the Asian hemisphere they considered their domain."
Of course they did. They stated as much. The whole 'east asia co prosperity sphere' was outwardly to kick the colonialists out and let Japan take what they considered it's rightful place.'
Pearl Harbor was to knock out the US Fleet and giving them 6-12 months to grab as much as they could, dig in and (they hoped) make it costly enough that the US would say its not worth it and keep what they had conquered.
They may have even had some support from the colonised asian countries had they not been so horrifically brutal to the people they were claiming to liberate. -
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Will Ukraine win?
by Fisherman ini was under the impression that it was going to be a short war, that russia’s military would indeed subdue ukraine’s forces quickly but that is not happening.
seems that russia’s military power is much less than it’s reputed to be.
no guess how it will all end..
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BettyHumpter
"Well stated. Please look into joining the International Legion of Defence of Ukraine.
Fight for Ukraine (fightforua.org)
Thank you for your service."So, unless Riley enlists in the Ukrainian military, his opinion that we should assist them with military hardware is invalid?
Does it work like that in other areas too?
If he was in favor of tax dollars being used to aid another country experiencing a famine, does he need to fly to that country and begin farming?
If he goes before the city council and voices his support for a new highway, does he need to work on the road crew?
Was lend/lease to Britain in WW2 (before the US was officially in the war) a bad idea? Should Roosevelt have said "If anyone cares so much about the UK, then they can take a boat over there and learn to fly a Spitfire"? -
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Will Ukraine win?
by Fisherman ini was under the impression that it was going to be a short war, that russia’s military would indeed subdue ukraine’s forces quickly but that is not happening.
seems that russia’s military power is much less than it’s reputed to be.
no guess how it will all end..
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BettyHumpter
"was not Iraq ultimately to drive them personally off the map as agressors, for having invaded the little rich neighbour Kuwait?"
The Gulf War in 1991 was to push them out of Kuwait.
The invasion of 2003 was about:
1.)Regime Change, and the Iraqis will welcome it and become a peaceful democracy2.) wanting someone to punch after 9/11
3.) They have WMD's and are a threat to the world (they didn't BTW)
4.) setting up a pro american government to increase our presence in the Middle East
5.) Saddam allegedly looked into killing Bush's dad after Iraq was defeated in 1991
6.) The George W. administration had alot of carryovers from his fathers administration. His dad thought anything beyond liberating Kuwait was a bad idea but some others wanted to invade Iraq in 1991 and 9/11 gave them an excuse to 'finish the job'.
I think it's possible that some may have really believed #1 was possible. The idea that since it worked for Germany and Japan after WW2, it will work anywhere. But that's just if i'm feeling very generous.Take your pick
"An excuse perhaps but worked with gdansk, pearl harbor, the tonkin golf."
Are you really including Pearl Harbor in with these other two? Really, dude? I assume by Gdansk you're referring to the Polish corridor. ? -
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"Listen to the rhetoric of Bin Laden, compare to the rhetoric of Michelle Obama when they got elected, compare to the rhetoric of AOC today - exactly the same."
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Apocalypse Might be Here at Super Bowl
by mrquik ini had tongue in cheek predicted the end would come should the buffalo bills ever make it to the super bowl.
that was many years ago when they couldn't even make the playoffs.
now things are looking grim as buffalo has a good shot of being there in february.
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BettyHumpter
"And each time they did make the Superbowl, they kept just losing. And by worse and worse margins each time--they made 4 consecutive Superbowls only to lose each time. Seems the Bills are good at sabotaging themselves, nothing more."
They were good a team in a weak conference. And that....field goal miss in 1991, that was their one chance....they were doomed in the the other 3. -
BettyHumpter
"21 Years."
Yep. Be nice to have the $2 Trillion back that was pissed away on the pointless Iraq adventure.
But I digress.
It is strange that this was 21 years ago. Doesn't seem like it. I still have a shirt or 3 in my closet from 2001. The way time passes faster and faster each year as you get older is awful. 70-80 years might be satisfying enough if we could feel the passage of those years as slowly as when we were 12.
Hulu did a really good multi-part documentary last year for the 20th anniversary. If anyone is interested in the subject i'd recommend it. Lots of footage and first hand accounts i'd never seen.
One thing I remember about the weeks afterwards was the anxiety of "what's next?" especially if you lived in a large city as I did at the time. After something that big, you just knew there had to be a part 2 coming. I had to fly that November AND take the train to the airport. It was the first time I felt unease doing either of those things. -
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Apocalypse Might be Here at Super Bowl
by mrquik ini had tongue in cheek predicted the end would come should the buffalo bills ever make it to the super bowl.
that was many years ago when they couldn't even make the playoffs.
now things are looking grim as buffalo has a good shot of being there in february.
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BettyHumpter
"No no no! The end will only come when the browns go to the super bowl!"
Very good point.
How about this: A Browns vs. Lions super bowl. The entire Universe is suddenly winked out of existence. -
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Replacing God?
by punkofnice inwe seem to be if a more secular society here in the west, these days.
i'm speaking from the uk.. with the lack of belief in god/s, i'm wondering if all the seeming (note: i said seeming!
), deification of people like greta thunberg, george floyd and celebs amongst others, if people who have no real belief system, are filling the gap left by god with people?.
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BettyHumpter
"With the lack of belief in God/s, I'm wondering if all the seeming (note: I said seeming!), deification of people like Donald Trump"
Fixed it for you.