Princess, the JW's also use that line sometimes. We were told that God would touch your heart and you would become receptive to the good news ("ring of truth" and such)
Interestingly though, the last time they came to bring me back into the fold I told them that I really didn't feel a calling in my heart that this was the truth.
The response? "The bible says we should not trust our heart because (they quoted the scripture about man being bad from infancy etc..)". Then one made a comparison about a man who may feel lust for a woman but it is only deception by his heart. ?????
Anyway the point is that I guess if God doesn't call you, you are screwed. So anyone who calls on Jesus name needs an invitation first, its probably stamped R.S.V.P. or something. But dont trust your heart because it is deceptive. Oh, and dont trust your mind either because it is too easily perverted by false teaching. Just sit around and wait for your call.
Posts by tdogg
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by Princess inmy husband and i have a friend who credits the lord with every good thing that happens in his life.
he is really a nice guy, unmarried, no kids and is now in remission from non hodgkins lymphoma (again, credit to the lord).
what do you think about people who credit the lord for every good thing that happens to them?
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saved at a Promise Keepers convention
by Princess inmy husband and i have a friend who credits the lord with every good thing that happens in his life.
he is really a nice guy, unmarried, no kids and is now in remission from non hodgkins lymphoma (again, credit to the lord).
what do you think about people who credit the lord for every good thing that happens to them?
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I know God plays favorites. I know this as a fact because on Sunday when some players score a touchdown they point up to the sky and thank God or Jesus for blessing them with the 6 points. Obviously it was the hand of God, otherwise why would they be there standing in the endzone? I dont see them thanking God when they get tackled for a loss because I am sure they know it was probably retribution for some bad thing they did. Most assuredly then when the the team God favors wins it is because of Gods blessing.
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JW Response to NGO/UN info
by Andrew Farrell infollowing is the response of a jw to the information regarding the un/ngo status of the watchtower society.
it seems not all will see with clarity the hypocritical position of the organisation in this matter:.
andrew,.
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tdogg
Wow, openminded I guess that line of reasoning didnt work after all. The person you correspond with is ready to defend the WTS no matter what you may say.
The tone of the person's words is quite interesting. Hostillity is oozing from the response. You have really struck a nerve there.
This part is good: "following blindly in their path. Where is objectivity? Where is truth? Where is the love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, mildness, long suffering, faith and self control?" The tables are being turned on you. Farkel would probably know the name for this ploy.
The reference to Paul to is irrelevent and helps to evade the conclusion that you suggested in your reasoning. And I really like the cop=out word :"interfacing". Very nice.
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Counting Time... Is It Part Of The Rot?
by ballistic inhow many here have pioneered?.
be honest, what was predominantly on your mind, telling people this wonderfull good news or was it counting time?.
an elder once said to me, "you know, it's strange how when pioneers quit pioneering, they're hours don't stay the same, they don't gradually diminish and they don't even drop by half... they drop practically to nothing.".
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It must just be part of the mentality that you can earn your way into paradise. The slips, time sheets, the reports. Looking back it seems so strange now. So what if the WT goes in the trash after you leave, it still counts as a placement. We would even roll up old WT's and leave them in people's doors and that would count.
FArkel: I go to Oceanside every year for a week and I never want to leave. One of these times I might not. September in SLC is wonderful but it cant beat year round SoCal.
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Emotional attachment to Watchtower
by joelbear inyou can hit witnesses with child screwers, un arse kissing, 1975 redux, etc.
etc.. you will influence people who do not have an emotional attachment or who have lost their emotional attachment to the society, but you won't get anywhere from people who still have that emotional attachment.. religion, including that of jehovah's witnesses is based on emotion not logic, so trying logic is a waste of time.. you have to get people emotionally detached by getting them emotionally attached to something besides the orgy.. flugs.
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tdogg
By pointing out a fact that would be contrary to a persons belief (in an organiztion such as JWs) you are messing with their whole world. To accept the fact as valid would be too painful because the persons whole belief system would be compromised. Our minds have defense mechanisms in place to protect us from such pain. The same is true for Mormons, who I deal quite a bit with. When your religious and social world become so intertwined it is impossible to unravel the two without destroying both.
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Counting Time... Is It Part Of The Rot?
by ballistic inhow many here have pioneered?.
be honest, what was predominantly on your mind, telling people this wonderfull good news or was it counting time?.
an elder once said to me, "you know, it's strange how when pioneers quit pioneering, they're hours don't stay the same, they don't gradually diminish and they don't even drop by half... they drop practically to nothing.".
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tdogg
Yeah, try Salt Lake City in winter time, now theres a test of faith. Street work at 6 am was goddamn cold. Trudging through the snow on one unshoveled sidewalk after another. People would get pissed because they would stand there with the door open letting out their heat while you blithered on and on. I think they would take the watchtower just to get back inside. All of that just for a goddamn donut, and not even Krispy Kreme.
Oh yeah, to answer the post, I just needed to get my numbers. Round up always.
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For those of you who attend a church
by closer2fine ini was raised a jw & left when i was 19. my husband went to a few different churches growing up (catholic, methodist etc) but he doesn't really consider himself a member of any particular denomination.
he considers himself a christian, although he isn't sure what he believes or if he believes in the bible as god's word.. i have run from any type of organized group that is controlling.
i don't know if i believe in god, or the bible as anything more than a series of stories with life lessons in them.
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I dont know why exactly people feel the need to belong to an organization to worship. I imagine we could discuss that forever without any resolution.
I will teach my children to find the answers for themselves. My daughter has attended LDS church with her grandparents on occasion and has a basic concept of Jesus and God. But when she starts asking questions I point out what different people believe and that all people do not believe the same way. I dont tell her which is the correct way because in all honesty I dont know and neither does anyone else.
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Ridiculous trips to the 'back room'
by Esmeralda inthe posts in the elders meeting thread got me thinking about this, so i've spun it off for into another thread.. were you ever 'counseled' because "some" in the congregation were disturbed by things you said/did/listened to/watched?.
here is just some of the stupid stuff that the elders brought me in on.
though they were usually handled through shepherding calls, not in the back room at the kh.. 1: because i decided to change my first and middle names.
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tdogg
I know Six but come on now, close your eyes and remember....I can almost hear the theme song now...
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Star Wars figures
by tdogg inlast year i retrieved my star wars collection from my dad's house.
i was a star wars freak since i was 6 years old and i first saw the film.
many of the origional old figures were missing and i wondered if they had just been lost over the years.
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tdogg
Interestingly, I was allowed to start my collection over later on. Apparently the "new light" about Star Wars didn't last very long. But those very first figures were a little different then the ones they made later on and are buried somewhere....
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Star Wars figures
by tdogg inlast year i retrieved my star wars collection from my dad's house.
i was a star wars freak since i was 6 years old and i first saw the film.
many of the origional old figures were missing and i wondered if they had just been lost over the years.
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tdogg
Last year I retrieved my Star Wars collection from my dad's house. I was a Star Wars freak since I was 6 years old and I first saw the film. Many of the origional old figures were missing and I wondered if they had just been lost over the years. My stepmother reminded me that I had to bury some in the backyard because of a talk a CO gave about these demonic figures. I have a very vague memory of this. My grandmother (who was never JW) tells me of a JW friend who around the same era had to give away all of her kids stuffed animals.
This must have been around 1976-77.Does anyone older than me know what this was all about?