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i gave my word

by teejay in

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ginny, you said, .

i understand the thinking, i guess, it's just that i was never (am not) that way.

if i am a laughingstock, it is only because i believed the way you presented yourself.

teejay

Shelby,

Alrighty, Mr. Smarty Teejay

Well lookie here, the truth is sinking in... (I'm JOKING... it's only a JOKE)

(I know what you meant. I ain't mad atcha, and I know you ain't mad at me, either.)

1. I feel responsible in part, due to my words being what set Farkel 'off' on this particular tangent;

Uh, 'scuse me Shelby, but the victim is NEVER responsible for the crime committed against them. You are well-intentioned, if not a little ill, for assuming responsibility for someone else's error. Sorry. Farkel f***ed up, not you. We all see that if only a handful will admit to it. Relax. You did nothing wrong.

2. My love for YOU all... and desire to see you make peace with one another

We're NOT at peace? Hell I thought we were just having a nice, friendly discussion on a quite Sunday afternoon, 's all.

3. That which I stated at the outset, above.

Er... do I read you right... you wanna add to your lifespan? So, you come to JW.com? To add to your lifespan? Now I KNOW you're ill! Know how I know? My Lord told me. (it's a joke!!! I'm only jokin'...)

peace,
todd

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i gave my word

by teejay in

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ginny, you said, .

i understand the thinking, i guess, it's just that i was never (am not) that way.

if i am a laughingstock, it is only because i believed the way you presented yourself.

teejay

No, I don't think she's stupid... she's ignorant like all ppl who say things like she does and believes the way she does. Her explanation of her post is downright silly.

Bigboi,

What I find especially galling is that as ignorant as she is, she actually thinks she's clever. She wears her ignorance as a source of pride when actually it's quite pathetic. Her rudimentary attempts at deception are downright stupid... otherwise they'd be funny.

Miss Maudie... my god.

Well... I've said my piece... I'll leave her to you, my Friend. I'm done with that topic and am sorry I had to deal with it on my easy Sunday.

holla

76

i gave my word

by teejay in

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friends

ginny, you said, .

i understand the thinking, i guess, it's just that i was never (am not) that way.

if i am a laughingstock, it is only because i believed the way you presented yourself.

teejay

Yo, Bigster,

Peep this: Who does this remind u of...

<sigh> I know, I know. But what are ya gonna do, Bruh? What are you gonna do?

What are these ppl doin readin from an attack posters we don't like handbook? It doesn't surprise me that Wasa would respond to you and completely miss the vitriol that spewed from Wendy's mouth. Last night she attempted to do the same with me a Kents lil exchange. Her "filters" must've been turned off.

This is sad buddy, especially in view of the lie she told when she said she wouldn't be participating in any more of your threads.

Can you say "kent"? He said the same thing, remember? Two peas in a pod, god bless 'em. She lost all credibility with me (and others) when she went out of her way to so unfairly blast Emmy, you know that as well as I do. Is wendy talking? Well, word to those interested in truth: be careful, because she's been known to... er... play fast and loose with the truth in the past.

Hey, did you see the "they" when she said to Was, "What is the saying...with a little knowledge they can be dangerous? (Her grandfathers must've told her that.) They? They? Is she totally stupid? One of her friends needs to email her or SOMEthing. What century is she living in, anyway? Doesn't she know that Jim Crow does not live on the Internet? My goodness, such backward, "ah, the good ol' days" language. Better get a grip, poor girl.

What do you expect from somebody who says she grew up around mostly black ppl, yet thinks it ok to call one a nigger, and also implies that all the black guys at the school she went did nothing but rape the white girls that attended. Of course she explained the true situation after being called on her deceptive implications, but why make such implications anyway?

Wendy I feel for your children.

Hey, imo, you should leave the kids out of this, Bigboi. That being said, I'm not saying your comment is right or that you should have said what you said, but I understand.

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hello, Shelby,

To the poster of the very FIRST post on this thread... ALL those in between (except Sunchild, 'cause I can't lump her in this one, sorry - and maybe 6of9, but I'm not quite 'sure')... to the very LAST poster thus far... May you ALL have peace... and may I say: SIGH!

Interesting intro, but... okaaay.

Can you ALL not see that you are ALL saying the EXACT same thing... about everyone but yourself? Why are you DOING this? How many 'cubits' will it add to your lifespan? To your 'intelligence'? To your perception... to your knowledge? Will you not still think that YOU are 'right'... whoever you are... and the others are 'wrong', whoever THEY are?

This comment of yours will serve as the basis of most of my response.

I doubt anyone is looking for ways to "add to our lifespan," anymore than you are by your participation. Why are YOU here? <rhetorical question>

Whatever the reason, we all have our reasons for posting. Posting to Internet forums is one of the things people do. Sometimes we find like minds, sometimes not, sometimes we fing agreement and common ground, sometimes not, but we keep posting because we get 'something' out of it. We don't each get the same thing, but whatever it is, it's enough to move us to return. No harm, no foul. For the most part.

One thing that works for me is that I avoid discussions that I view as silly, pointless, counterproductive, etc. There are several going on right now on this very site, yet I'm HERE, on this particular page, and here is where I'll stay. Others are talking about topics that are of interest to them, I do the same.

For it is the one that LET'S him or her self be 'wronged'... that, in truth... is 'right'.

I used to believe that. I now believe it to be a fallacy.

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wendy,

I think it is wonderful that you went back to school...

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Too late, lil' miss. You said what you said, meant what you meant but didn't expect a truck driver to catch your little code words or call you on it. As is so often the case here, you were wrong.

If you decided to read my post as derogatory, well that is how you read it.

I read it the way you MEANT it, miss maudie. I got your point, loud and clear. Have you NO honor? I expected better weasling, but I should have known better.

... even though you percieved me to be degrading you, I am actually just placing you in a category.

I know. People like you have perfected stereotyping to an art form. People like you have had centuries of practice. You have learned well, at the feet of masters, no doubt.

I have walked away from you before, and will do again...

Thank you. I will not miss you. Before you go (and you ARE going, yes?) I'd like to share something with you:

I'll be 44 this year, so I've seen a thing or two, most of it Down South. Furthermore, I've been online since 1992. In all my experiences, you are one of the very few I have ever met in real life and THE ONLY ONE online (Prodigy Classic, H2O or JW.com) who actually repulses me, and I've met some true characters. To make it worse, every time you open your mind and allow the world to peer into it, my opinion of you drops even further. It's your kind of proud ignorance and fake "innocence" that in the past got too many good men, men with skin like mine, killed. It's a good thing that enough people have become enlightened, or else I'd be dead already.

I personally am done.(again, and finally)

Perhaps this time you will be true to your word? We can only hope.

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i gave my word

by teejay in

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ginny, you said, .

i understand the thinking, i guess, it's just that i was never (am not) that way.

if i am a laughingstock, it is only because i believed the way you presented yourself.

teejay

Hello, Larc,

I'm taking a Humanities class (for sure) and hopefully American Government and algebra. I waited kinda late to enroll (a career procrastinator). We'll see. Classes start on the 20th. Can't wait.

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i gave my word

by teejay in

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ginny, you said, .

i understand the thinking, i guess, it's just that i was never (am not) that way.

if i am a laughingstock, it is only because i believed the way you presented yourself.

teejay

Was, to answer your parting questions:

Does that mean you want to learn to show common decency to fellow posters? If so, why your rude (perhaps a better word than vitriolic) comments to Tina?

("Rude" is waaay more accurate than "vitriolic", which was plain wrong... thanks for the apology.) I wouldn't expect you to say so (as you didn't mention kent's misspoken words to Bigboi, only Bigboi's), but Tina is rude and inconsiderate OF ME, always has been, but I don't take it personally... she's that way with a lot of people. It's her style.

Actually, I'm nice to tina, considering. You admit that "Tina may have provoked you, but if you return in kind you can't expect to remain innocent." The proactive statement is not called into account, but the reactive statement *IS*? Come on, Was!! We can do better than that. Someone is unfairly disfellowshipped and then calls down evil on the elders who did it. You point out the df'd persons response, not the act that provoked it? Please.

Besides, tina, 1. gives as good as she gets, and b. likes (craves?) the attention I give her... hide and watch. No harm, no foul. She likes the little spankings I give her.

I also noticed in your response what seems to be a condradiction about the "Emmy Debacle" You congratulated AlanF and JanH for staying out of it in one breath, and then said:
quote:You stayed out of it for a reason which is precisely why I got into it. Evil prospers when good people do nothing.

I see your point, but I notice they've stayed out of this one, too. I started this thread to defend myself against what I consider unfair charges made by Ginny, md, and Francoise while at the same time keeping my word to leave what seemed (to my friend) to be that particular thread's direction. You sought to 'defend' Ginny when I made no attack against 'her' and such an act on your part was unwarranted, imo.

On the other hand, you remained aware of but silent when Emyrose was under far worse fire and now defend your acquiescence THEN. Some fights you join, others you avoid. Excuse MY confusion in you when you then said, "I don't get involved in street fights..." AlanF and JanH seem to consistently live by that directive.

I'm going to put the beach chairs in the car now and see if I can find a corkscrew...

Oh, my! Sounds like the makings of a lovely afternoon, I must say! Oh, how I do love the beach. One day I hope to live on one, somewhere in Mexico... I could do it now, but too many obligations. Did you see Shawshank Redemption? Remember the last scene? Beautiful, in many ways.

peace, Was
tj

p.s. Speaking of movies, you have done me a great favor in mentioning Memento. From what I could tell from my research of it on http://us.imdb.com/, it's a movie that I believe played once on HBO and I only saw the first 5 or 6 minutes. Tell me, if you will... is this the movie where a man wakes up in a 'hospital' room and finds Posted Notes all over the place, with messages like "don't bother to light a cigarette... there's already one burning in the bathroom"? I wanted to see that movie, but haven't didn't know the name. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

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i gave my word

by teejay in

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ginny, you said, .

i understand the thinking, i guess, it's just that i was never (am not) that way.

if i am a laughingstock, it is only because i believed the way you presented yourself.

teejay

To All,

wendy's post is exemplary in that it typifies a JW mindset, and she's not even a JW. Just goes to show that some of us have not moved very far from the past--the scenery may have changed, the mindset remains.

She referred to Was' "thoughful and insightful postings" and my "drivel" but offered not ONE example of either. JWs may speak about how great a mag or a talk is/was but cannot give a sound bite or a quote to back up their high review.

She complimented me by saying that I was "the classic example of a hard working man" (thank you, wendy) but immediately sought to ridicule the way I provide for my family with, "truck driver I believe." So Pharisaic, so GBish, wouldn't you say? "He drives a truck, for chrissakes," she seems to be saying. "Can anything good come from a truck driver?" She continues her effort to denigrate something that is wholly proper by mentioning that I go to college. Sorry, wendy, but I'm not sorry to have enrolled in college at the tender age of 42 and no comment from you (or anyone) is going to make me regret it.

Her most telling comment, however, the point where she REALLY told on herself (in much the same way she did with Emyrose), was when she asked, in delightfully coded language, "What is the saying...with a little knowledge they can be dangerous?" Oh, I'm sure she has an explanation for what she meant, how she was misunderstood. Skulking back to explain away her true meaning is an option, but "they" ALWAYS do that, don't "they"? We've seen it from HER in the matter of how she used the "n" word toward Emyrose, so what else is new?

I'm not "playing word games." Far from it. I'm not "stirring the pot" ("acting uppity" in wendy-speak). Only the clueless, the total block-heads, suggest that I post here to stroke my ego, considering the general reaction and false accusations that greet my posts. My aim is quite serious, though few seem willing to see it. Or agree with it.

Last, like any writer of a Watchtower article worth his salt, she invents what she claims is my motivation while ignoring the truth:

She nonsensically hinted that I started this thread to "cause trouble, and contentions." Any fair person knows--from the initial post--that I had been ridiculed in another thread; a friend asked that I discontinue my participation there, but I wanted to answer those charges; I've done so here. I'm certain at the first opportunity, Ginny will respond (can't speak for the others I addressed). Of course, wendy knows all of this and rather than do the honorable thing, she plays dumb (not a stretch for some people) or prefers to cover over what she knows is true. Reminds me of the last WT I read. Well done, wendy. You've learned well.

Sorry, but that kind of duplicity I'll never abide, either from the Society or here, from you or anyone else.

Peace to all, whether you want it or not.

p.s. wendy, go rent To Kill a Mockingbird. Look for a character named "Miss Maudie." Take particular note of her role during the court scene near the end of the film, the part where she is obviously lying, everyone knows it, but rallies around poor Lil' Miss Maudie (I wonder if such a thing ever happened in real life.... naahhh!!). "Miss Maudie" reminds me of you, a classic example of... well... go rent it. You'll see what I mean.

76

i gave my word

by teejay in

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friends

ginny, you said, .

i understand the thinking, i guess, it's just that i was never (am not) that way.

if i am a laughingstock, it is only because i believed the way you presented yourself.

teejay

Since you are "now pregnant and very emotional," I'll cut you some slack... but did you say a little too much about yourself when you said,

What is the saying...with a little knowledge they can be dangerous?

Who are the "they" you mean? Keep posting wendy. You help more than you know.

Your first thought was to "stay away"? In the future, if helping your 'cause' is your aim, go with that first thought. You stuck your foot in pretty deep this time. Extraction will take some time. And if "a few college courses" has made such a noticeable difference in me (as you suggest) why don't YOU give it a try. Not having completed one's education is no cause for boasting.

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i gave my word

by teejay in

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friends

ginny, you said, .

i understand the thinking, i guess, it's just that i was never (am not) that way.

if i am a laughingstock, it is only because i believed the way you presented yourself.

teejay

Btw, Was, to Bigboi, you said,

The only (slight) difference I noticed was the seeming obsession of Teejay keeping it going. Would it have killed the guy to just let this die? I am not the only party to have made this observation.

Question:

Regularly, like clockwork, the charge is made that I have a difficult time "letting go" <stop snickering, Six!>. On another thread, after an absence, Farkel posted a rather provocative post. Would you say HE has a hard time "letting go"? I didn't think so. Why is that? <rhetorical question, since i think i have the answer>

Further, since my arrival on this discussion board, I have NEVER engaged myself in dialog, in other words: kept the thread alive all on my own. Get the point? Teejay is "obsessed" when he posts to threads few others are interested in, but the one to whom he's posting is "concerned, thoughtful, etc." Why the double standard? <rhetorical question>

Max, what is the latin expression for "some can't see the forest for the trees"?

peace,
tj

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i gave my word

by teejay in

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ginny, you said, .

i understand the thinking, i guess, it's just that i was never (am not) that way.

if i am a laughingstock, it is only because i believed the way you presented yourself.

teejay

Was,

I included you with Kimberly, Scorpion, and Bigboi, accusing you of spewing vitriol. I really couldn't find anything on the same level as the others mentioned.

So when you said, " What I have seen from you, Scorpion, Kimberly and a few others is no less vitriolic," that wasn't really true of me, was it? You may read into my words emotive inflection ("subtle and insulting tone") but the fault for that lies with you, not me, your problem, not mine. What stands is farkel's vitriol. No need to infer ANY characterizations to what HE said, eh?

Btw, was I wrong in reading an "I'm sorry, teejay" in between the lines? If so, my bad.

Not exactly dispassionate, is it? "Liar" and "idiot" are not compliments where I come from.

I never said that I was 'dispassionate.' Most of us who post here are passionate at one time or another, especially when issues that might be called "volatile" are discussed. And, no, neither "liar" nor "idiot" are compliments, nor were they meant to be. What I consider worse than making the charge is that the charge is true.

I noticed you selectively took my comments out of context. I believe it was to Slayer (or was it wendy, or Francoise, or tina--they have each lied about me) who did what you did and wrongly attribute comments to me that I never made. I believe in each case I gave them an out by saying either their memory of the discussion was fuzzy or they were lying. None of these who've made false charges against me have yet to return to honorably own up to their mistaken words. I thought Francoise might, but wendy's and Slayers failure to return is not surprising, and tina is... well... tina. So, my unanswered challenge to them leads me to one conclusion: as strong as the word "liar" is, it fits, since they have done nothing to dispel my charge. To your credit, you have owned up to your mistake.

As for the "idiot" comment... you WERE selective in quoting me. I said alley cat WASN'T a complete idiot. Perhaps I was wrong, in your view? If so, I will not, cannot, argue the point. <g>

What is it you are trying to accomplish in regard to Farkel?

If nothing else, learn from all his hard work in researching the Evil Empire, i.e. show common decency to fellow posters, like the rest of us do, and when he says something that hurts someone's feelings, that he not think he's so high and mighty, but apologize. The word "hypocrite" is thrown around quite a bit here, but if I decry a certain behavior in someone else, more or less making it the focus of my life's 'work,' but mirror the behavior myself, what am I?

I also feel I should address your reference to what I have begun to think of as "the emmy debacle". As far as I am reasonably able to determine, Emmy did play the race card prematurely.

You don't have to answer this question, but what do you mean by "reasonably able to determine"? I wonder if you mean that you went back and read the dialog, word for word, or if you base your judgment of the thread on hearsay. Either way, it doesn't matter. My opinion is carved in marble and will not change.

I was very uncomfortable with the actions of both sides of that mess.

The only thing about Emmy that bothered me was that she became overly emotional. That was her only error. Virtually everything she said was true. Period.

The errors on the other side of the 'debacle,' as you call it, were more egregious, imo. Certain board members, mostly non-Americans, took issue with what she had said prior to that, but how could they reasonably do so? They couldn't, anymore than an American could comment fairly and intelligently on the status of Australian political developments to Aussies. Still, even if they disagreed, it would have been no sin. Yet, they didn't stop at benign disagreement but began throwing slurs. Kent, who was lurking (I guess), took it upon himself to start a whole new thread to further vilify her character, giving your friend the opportunity to say something truly vitriolic toward Emmy but about women everywhere. The rest is history.

I stayed out of it for a reason: I don't think any good came of it and I didn't want to get my hands dirty.

You stayed out of it for a reason which is precisely why I got into it. Evil prospers when good people do nothing.

Even though Emmy became quite the sacrificial lamb, because of that event the board was able to see very clearly and without guise exactly how many posters thought, Farkel foremost among them. It was/is also interesting to note who DIDN'T get involved (JanH and AlanF being prime examples, to their great credit, imo). It's a subtle fact among those who deal with racism: most would much rather deal with a person who is openly racist rather than one whose latent racism is concealed beneath a false front of decency and sickeningly sweet, but false, kindness. I know I would. Because of Emmy, I'm able to do that now.

I hope I have addressed your questions. I assure you, my comments are sincerely intended. I only jumped into this because my friend, Ginny, is not available to defend herself. I would hope you'd do the same for one of your friends.

I've emailed Ginny, informing 'her' that there is a thread she might want to visit. I don't see it as her having to 'defend' herself. She has nothing to 'defend.' She thinks I'm a laughingstock because I believed a lie (joke?) she told. No biggee. The thread will be available tomorrow, next week, next month. 'She' will be back.

You engaged me in dialog and for the most part you've been fair. Thank you. Your stated motive was to get to know me better. I hope you have.

Last, in parting you said, "regards and peace, I guess." I don't believe I've ever seen, here or anywhere--someone say something like that.

What did you mean? The "I guess" part? An interesting conclusion to what I thought was a friendly dialog. Oh well...

peace,
tj

ps. FYI, there ARE NO good movies this summer, spring, last fall, etc. What did you see last night?

76

i gave my word

by teejay in

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friends

ginny, you said, .

i understand the thinking, i guess, it's just that i was never (am not) that way.

if i am a laughingstock, it is only because i believed the way you presented yourself.

teejay

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Have you found those thought-provokingly well-researched threads of your authorship that I asked you to look for? You didn't? I didn't think you would because, well... they don't actually exist, do they?!! HA!!

Then, do everyone (mostly yourself) a favor... the big people are talking here, so why don't you go back to the kiddie table over there in the corner and play with your ken and Barbie dolls. The adults are talkin' and you should have learned by now to play quietly when semi-serious matters are being discussed. Well call you if we need you, K? Thank you.