Posts by scratchme1010

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need input: My older son has an interesting theory as to why my wife has her head in a watchtower 90% of the time

by goingthruthemotions in

i am still having issues with my still in wife.

my two son's and i don't want anything to do with the cult.

our marriage is a battle ground all the time.

scratchme1010

she treats me and our sons like shit, not affectionate (not that she really ever was...i blame on being brought up in a cult)

I think this part I relate to (although I am not in a heterosexual marriage with two children, please read on). This is how my mother used to behave. She had no problem being a total b to her children and husband.

Something that helped me was using her own nonsense against her. My father did the same thing. "I'm not a JW but I'm still the man of the house". If showing all the doctrine flaws that the WT has in their teaching and their actions doesn't work, maybe putting in practice an emphasizing all the crap that women in the JWs have to put up with just for being women may help her open her eyes. Every time that there's a disagreement remind her that JW or not, you are still a man, and the man of the house, and according to the JWs, she have to be submissive to you. You are the one running the house and she has to follow according to the JWs, and if I remember well, for as long as you don't interfere with her JW nonsense, she must obey you.

She cannot pick and choose which JW doctrine she will follow in the house. Some manipulative people do that --it, some people are JWs only for what is convenient to them.

She is hurting the family, her own children. Something should be done about it.

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Question about an elder and if I am crazy

by life is to short in

ok so i have a question.

i was a very, very true believer until i saw the child molesters in my hall and how that whole thing was handled.. my husband is older than i am and had been an elder for 12 when we married.

so fast forward to 06, we are in a hall where i thought all the elders were ok at the worst and great at the best.

scratchme1010

So this one elder who I thought was friends with my husband and me and who is married and we have had him and his wife to dinner and even taken them out to dinner. He turns into being one of the biggest supports of the child molesters.

First, I'm sorry that you're going through such difficult times. Second, no, you are not crazy; they are a bunch of inappropriate disgusting men, covering up for a pedophile. The WT does not care about the well being of children, period. Their decisions and actions are based in covering their own interests and carrying on with their nonsense as much as they can.

Unfortunately, you are experiencing precisely what that main issue with child abuse is, which is how willing people are to cover tings up and protect the pedophile instead of the children. Those people's behaviors are completely inappropriate, maybe illegal.

Question, are you in the USA? If so, is that pedophile guy a registered sex offender? If so, since you have now been labeled and treated as the problem instead of humanitarian help, are you willing to continue in your position? If so, are you willing to report the guy to the police if you know and have evidence that he's around children? Are you willing to deal with the aftermath of that in the congregation? Do you have the support of your husband in that respect? Where is he standing with that, is he with you, does he see the same thing that you see?

As for the creepy elder, use the word harassment every time he addresses you for anything. He is an inappropriate creep. He has no business addressing you. You can use their own system against him and tell him that he's no allowed to talk to you without your husband present.

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Puerto Rico Special Convention 2016 Video

by darkspilver in

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never a jw.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6289070416199680/dressed-up-five-days-ahead-special-assembly-puerto-rico.

an hour ago i went to bid good bye my two brothers in law and their wives (all elders/elderettes).

scratchme1010

I cannot fathom me growing up a JW in Puerto Rico seeing something like that, ever! I remember some elders going on and on and on about the Puerto Rican Bomba and Plena music having roots in African worshiping of deities and therefore being Satan's music.

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Waking Up from Religion

by Tahoe in

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neat little article:.

http://wakeup-world.com/2015/11/21/waking-up-from-religion/.

i apologize in advance if it was previously posted.

scratchme1010

Thanks. Interesting thoughts.

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Do any of the Governing Body members go door to door preaching?

by atomant in

l was just wondering if they actually get off their fat plump bums (over fed) and set an example of door to door witnessing..

scratchme1010

All I know is that I don't anymore.

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Is remaining ignorant a choice?

by stuckinarut2 in

is remaining ignorant about the society a choice?.

surely every witness has a moment in time when "something just doesn't seem right"?

perhaps a teaching, doctrine, an article, a talk, a news report about child abuse handling, or a jwdubdotorg broadcast, a video, a cartoon for the kids....you know....?.

scratchme1010

Is remaining ignorant about the society a choice?
Surely every witness has a moment in time when "something just doesn't seem right"? Perhaps a teaching, doctrine, an article, a talk, a news report about child abuse handling, or a jwdubdotorg broadcast, a video, a cartoon for the kids....you know....?
So, do we choose to remain ignorant. Do we choose to just say "oh it must be ok because the GB are always correct"?
Or in this day and age of easily accessible facts to research, do we allow themselves to dig a little deeper AS THE BIBLE ITSELF ENCOURAGES all to do.? After all, the very nature of our lives are dependent on facts.
Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored....

In my opinion, yes, it is a choice to remain ignorant. Is that the best choice? That's a completely different thing.

That said, when people choose to continue believing the nonsense that they choose to believe (and I certainly can't make this exclusively about the JW believes), I think that remaining ignorant is a secondary effect. In their brainwashed minds what they are choosing is "eternal life" or "the right side" or "the right presidential candidate"; it never is "I choose not to learn anything other than what ___ tells me".

The remaining ignorant and refusing to face facts is a side effect of brainwashing.

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Adult survivor of sexual abuse as a child

by life is to short in

i showed the video from the midweek meeting of september 12th to my counselor to get her take on it.

she said that it clearly was a propaganda video and was appalled that it was shown to an audience that had small children in it.

she said that they could have been way more generic in their way of portraying the women as having been abused.. the subject of sexual abuse and the way the video zeroed in on it would have small children asking questions that really did not need to be addressed.

scratchme1010

Thanks for this post, life is to short.

Like DATA-DOG, I learned about bestiality, adultery, fornication, anal sex, orgies and all those topics as a child and directly from the JWs.

As I said before and will continue saying, children mean nothing to that organization. Not a thing that those people do is in favor of children, but to cover their own backs.

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Can a full healing from cult ever be accomplished

by Chook in

can all indoctrination leave a person , or does it linger in background till death..

scratchme1010

Can all indoctrination leave a person , or does it linger in background till death.

My two cents, in short, and in my case, not completely. To me my recovery has been about minimizing the negative influence of that organization. It's not realistic for me to expect that I can remove the JWs from the first 23 years of my life, especially since I come from a large family and many of them are still in. I can't talk about my chilhood without mentioning the WT. It's just not possible.

That organization, whether I like it or not, is going to be present in my life, so my healing from it is not about disappearing it from my life, but rather not allowing them to dictate my life, my decisions or my relationships. It's not about eradicating its influence, but to keep it to a minimum and correcting anything that exists in my life as a result of its negative influence.

I don't hide that I was a JW, nor am I proud of it. I am proud of leaving and not allowing that organization and its nonsense continue controlling my life. I now have a history of living outside that organization and I have plenty of unrelated memories and life events that make my life a lot richer in spite of all the time I wasted in that organization.

I also find healing in the fact that the Wt nonsense was something that was imposed on me since I was born, not something I decided to join. As soon as I knew better I left, and since I have been living my life on my terms not theirs. That's good enough for me.

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The bOrg Cult Tactics

by pale.emperor in

i'm wondering if the borg actually studied mind control and coercion tactics deliberately or wether they just evolved over time through trial and error.

from reading steve hassans books, studying hypnosis and methods psychopaths use it all seems very complex.

like it would never occur to me to do a, b and c in the right order at the right time in order to get control of someone or control their lives.. for example, repetition of words (the word "loyalty" was a big one in the last convention), using loaded language, encouraging people not to trust their own thoughts, restricting their information, demonising those who leave etc.

scratchme1010

I'm wondering if the bOrg actually studied mind control and coercion tactics deliberately or wether they just evolved over time through trial and error. What do you think?

My opinion, I don't think that many controlling groups, cults or cult leaders intentionally start a group or organization with the intention of controlling or coerce people. Many cult leaders have goodness at heart in the beginning. Later when they get a taste of power and control over other people is when they start getting ideas. Some others do start cults and organizations with the intention of having power and control over others. The bOrg is an organization made of a number of people, not just one leader, and it has evolved through the years. I believe that the level of control and coercion is deliberate now, and in high amounts, but I don't think that that's how that organization stared. I may be completely wrong as I have no idea about what the intention of Charles T Russel was when he founded the WT.

Many religions organizations that are very demanding (like the bOrg) tend to attract narcissistic, power hungry people in their leadership. I don't think that power, control and coercion are things that they need to get formally trained on, though.

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Cart Witnessing in Hong Kong

by scratchme1010 in

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i was away for a few weeks since i was on a nice vacation in thailand, hong kong and macau.

during my vacationi saw several jws in carts standing by different parts of the cities i visited.. i hong king, however, i noticed that they were a lot more and in a lot more places where i wouldn't think i would see jws with their carts.

they were at the entrance of men's rooms (and not by women's rooms) in public and (what i imagine is) private property (entrances of public transportation places and shopping malls).

scratchme1010

Hello all. I was away for a few weeks since I was on a nice vacation in Thailand, Hong Kong and Macau. During my vacationI saw several Jws in carts standing by different parts of the cities I visited.

I Hong King, however, I noticed that they were a lot more and in a lot more places where I wouldn't think I would see JWs with their carts. They were at the entrance of men's rooms (and not by women's rooms) in public and (what i imagine is) private property (entrances of public transportation places and shopping malls). Some were actually quite aggressive approaching men coming out of men's rooms. Also, there were some people from some kind of Christian denomination singing with guitars and other instruments, and the JW cart was right next to them. They looked as if they were part of the other group.

Has anyone seen that happening in any other place? In Macau and Bangkok they were like I've seen them in other places, just in a public high traffic area standing (looking silly) with their carts and not approaching anyone, but in Hong King I saw them being more aggressive and in places that I personally found odd for them to park.

Thoughts?