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  Governing Body-Part of Great Crowd

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

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  it appears that the governing body members today are part of the great crowd and are not of the anointed.. to those with some knowledge of the subject, is it possible that the christian congregation would eventually be lead by those who are not anointed?

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  Governing Body-Part ...
  

  I though this was an obscene post.
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  phone scams

  by zeb in

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  i received a phone call, "is that (name)?".

  i was working my way around a car park and answered.

  "yeah hang on" at which the caller hung up.. this is a scam where they are wanting you to confirm who you are so they can move on identity theft.. the voice was male clear like a professional announcer.. i have reported this to the relevant authorities.. i have also frozen my bank account..

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  I received a phone call, "Is that (name)?"

  I was working my way around a car park and answered

  "yeah hang on" at which the caller hung up.

  This is a scam where they are wanting you to confirm who you are so they can move on identity theft.

  The voice was male clear like a professional announcer.
  

  I have reported this to the relevant authorities.

  I have also frozen my bank account.
  

  Even when I recognize the caller, when they ask my name first my reply is always "Who's this?". I never answer with my name. Normally, unless I am expecting a call from a doctor, a store, or something I know will call me, i never answer the phone when I don't recognize the number. So far I've never had a problem.
  
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  Deflated after realising my inactive friends are POMI

  by Isambard Crater in

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  2. friends

  i'm going through an extremely hard and dark time right now and really yearned for the support of people i know in the flesh, and i really thought revealing my serious doubts and frustrations to a few close friends who became inactive several years ago would help.

  they attend the memorial and no more than 2 sunday meetings each year, and haven't preached for several years, so are still technically baptised-but-inactive.. it broke my heart or at least left me feeling very alone when they all (they don't know each other and live in separate areas) told me that they can sympathise but reckon i should stay with "the truth" (their words, still) as it's the best thing there is.

  it's like i'd discovered a new group of people, not pimo (physically in, mentally out, like me) but pomi (physically out, mentally in).

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  It broke my heart or at least left me feeling very alone when they all (they don't know each other and live in separate areas) told me that they can sympathise but reckon I should stay with "the truth" (their words, still) as it's the best thing there is. It's like I'd discovered a new group of people, not PIMO (physically in, mentally out, like me) but POMI (physically out, mentally in). It's ridiculous. The "truth" still has such a hold over some people, but clearly not enough to motivate them to actually attend meetings and all the other stuff.
  

  I'm sorry to hear that you didn't get the support from people that you expected it. I experienced the exact same thing many times. Just because a person is not active or not attending, it doesn't mean that the person doesn't believe in the WT teachings.

  I for once was both surprised and baffled when a gay roommate I had, who attended meeting with his mom as a child until he was 10, never baptized, and did all kinds of things that gay single men do, didn't accept my happy birthday card because of the WT nonsense. Some people still keep those believes as true, and they just don't attend. I've experienced similar reactions from ex-JWs when they find that i was a JW and stop talking to me or treat me differently.
  

  If that's the case, I know that it feels like hurt right now, but you really don't need that nonsense in your life. There are plenty more ex-JWs who can understand and give you true support. The POMI's are everywhere. It is their process, their decision and their dysfunction. My suggestion is to just keep looking for support in other ex-JWs who are more functional that way.
  
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  Today's W.T on GB not being inspired is having ZERO impact on most J.W's

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the congregation i attend had it's watchtower study on thursday night because of l.d.c work this week-end, and another congregation i have some not very spiritual friends in had their watchtower study on wednesday.

  from what i have delicately prised out of people, the congregations loved the watchtower study this week, saying it was so encouraging and all the usual stuff, with no-one seeming to realise the g.b.

  said they're not inspired, so the spirit int he past has moved them to teach wrong things, and all the other ideas excellently summed up on reddit.. today's watchtower will wash over the heads of most j.w's like it never even happened, the all remaining as loyal as ever, and it makes me so, so sad..

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  Today's Watchtower will wash over the heads of most J.W's like it never even happened, the all remaining as loyal as ever, and it makes me so, so sad.
  

  They are brainwashed and conditioned to believe anything and everything that they are told. It's not possible to expect any other reaction (or lack thereof).
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  first non-witness affiliated visitor

  by notalone in

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  i know this is sad but last night was the first time we have had a non-witness affiliated visitor to my home.

  we have had workmen and the such but never someone over for a meal and just visit.

  it was very impromptu.

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  I don't think that's a sad thing. Some JWs never ever ever get to experience that in their entire lifetimes. I'm happy for you.
  
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  Forbidden Book

  by snowbird in

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  my oldest daughter once worked at a convenience store/gas station for a muslim gentleman.. he had two sons - the older one @ university, and the younger worked with my daughter.. well, my daughter said the younger was blackmailing the older because the older was in possession of a bible!.

  she also said the young man confessed to her that he often times went to a soul food joint way out in the country and ordered pork chops.

  she said he told her they tasted soooo good.. lol.. sylvia.

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  She also said the young man confessed to her that he often times went to a soul food joint way out in the country and ordered pork chops. She said he told her they tasted soooo good.
  

  That reminds me of the JWs I'd see in gay clubs two towns over.
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  Spoke To Two Sisters At A Witnessing Cart Today

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as the title says, i spoke to two sisters at a witnessing cart today.

  i didnt approach them, as circumstances would have it i was out in liverpool city center with my 3yo and she was carrying a teddy and a balloon.

  she caught the balloon on something sharp and it popped and so she started crying.

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  ... I dunno, maybe i'll change again and be militant anti JW.
  

  Please don't.
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  Do you feel that you are really YOU?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am interested in finding out how you view yourself.

  are really you when it comes to every day interactions....ie when at work, with family or friends, or if attending meetings?.

  if still attending, do you feel you are not the real you at meetings?

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  Are really YOU when it comes to every day interactions....ie when at work, with family or friends, or if attending meetings?
  

  I don't attend JW meetings, but at work and everywhere I go I am definitely me. I'm sure that if I create a different account and start posting, many people here will know that it's still me.

  In regards to faders and ex witnesses, do you feel you are still not really you when in company with relatives or friends who are witnesses?
  

  Not at all. One of the main reasons I was able to send the WT and the idiots at my last congregation to the carajo was precisely that I had to choose between making them feel comfortable or being myself. With my JW family, they all know well who/how I am. That's part of the reason some members of my family don't bother talking to me.
  

  Do you feel you are holding back all the time?
  

  No, but that doesn't mean that I am insensitive, or that I'm not tactful. You can be yourself and still be considerate to what your JW family believes and feels, even if that's not reciprocated, especially if you are aware that it will not be reciprocated. That will be great, but being a respectful human being (if you are in fact a respectful person) doesn't mean that their brainwashing and the behavior they are conditioned to reflect will change. It only means that you are you, a respectful person.

  Now, please keep in mind that i have been out for decades and have taken plenty of time to mature and know myself really well. It's important to know yourself first before, well, being yourself.

  Interesting post.
  
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  Has anyone else experienced this?

  by ToesUp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my spouse and i have faded 4+ years ago.

  we know the jw rumor mill has gotten back to our family that we no longer attend.

  most of our family is out of state.

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  We are not complaining about it (actually it is a great thing), just perplexed. Has anyone else had this happen? If so, what do you think their thought process is? Are they burying their heads in the sand, do they have doubts to but can't discuss them? They don't want to know and don't want to have to choose to not associate with us? Are they just trying to keep us close because they are getting older? We are just curious if any of you have experienced this same thing? If so, what are your thoughts?
  

  Heck, yes! My thoughts and experience are that they will not ask any questions, they will not inquire anything about you around the JWs, and they will never ever directly tell you anything.

  A few things can be the reasons.

  Possibility 1 - The elders instructed them to do that. Some elders (duh, they are just people with nothing better to do) use their position to screen out people that they don't like. If you rubbed some elder the wrong way, chances are that elder is very happy with recommending that course of action to your JW family.

  Possibility 2 - They are very afraid of opening a can of worms. Like some members of my JW family, they love to know about me, they claim that they "don't know why I don't contact them", and "they want me in their lives",but they don't want to know anything that I can say that challenges them, their lives or their believes. That's out of fear of realizing that they have been wrong all their lives. That's no small thing. The implications of that means that so many decisions they have made have been made for the wrong reasons and with the wrong information, and based on the wrong premises.
  

  Possibility 3 - Pride, dysfunction, envy, control, and similar harmful-to-relationships negativity. They just want the fun part of you; they have no interest in having a relationship with you or learning anything about you as a person. So they are nice and polite and attempt to get what they want from you, but can't care less about you. Being in contact with you is a way of keeping tabs, so they can continue with gossiping and rumors.

  Possibility 4 - Good old fashion brainwashing. They may believe that doing that is the right things to do as per their Jehovah.

  Even if they call you, they want you to ask things, so they feel at a psychological advantage over you. They have no interest in what you have to say, but they want you to ask so they can tell you what they want to say. Don't expect any reasonable, normal dialog. That doesn't happen with active, devoted JWs.

  I keep close to my father, my mother passed away last year. I cater their need the best I can. As for my siblings, I have different degrees of contact with them and no contact with some.
  
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  What was it like being a JW in the 1960's and 1970's

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is obviously a question for the older generation.

  i'm really curious what it was like to be a witness in the 60's and 70's?.

  was the society as strict as it is today?.

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  Was the society as strict as it is today?

  Did you feel proud to be a JW back then?

  Were the brothers more loving in those days?

  Just wanted to hear some experiences to compare with the way things are today

  My perception is one of a child (I was a child in the 70s), so I'm not sure how accurate it is.

  Also, even at a tender age I did notice a difference in culture between congregations I was in a downtown congregation since I was born and then moved to a rural area when I was about 9. The culture was different, the way JWs got along with each other was different too. The second congregation was more family oriented as there were about 6 or 7 large families.

  We were treated like crap. In every meeting there was some kind of information about how bad we are and how Jehovah will kill us if we do this or that, From the platform here was always somebody addressing something very specific about some event in our school, and there was always some idiot who had a problem with any of his children attending, so it was always "wordly" and JWs cannot attend.

  The elders in the congregation didn't like each other and refused to have their children socialize with other children. Personally I didn't like the attitude of some of them, especially the older ones. The feeling seemed mutual.

  The gossiping was insane! People were so much into each other's business to a point that I as a child even noticed.

  Then my father seemed to be the only one stating that the end was not coming in 1975. He became unpopular for doing so in the congregation. One of the elders quit his job in 1975, and became a pioneer in October (in spite of having to support his 13 children). He also trained himself to eat leaves for when the great tribulation arrives. Some people sold their houses.
  

  Another elder was some kind of stalker and was constantly following people he became obsessed with.

  Pioneering was a lot more hours a month. They used to call it "temporary pioneering" when a JW decided to dedicate a month to pioneering. The requirement was 100 hours of house to house preaching. Later there was a "major" announcement, you know, one of those events when they mislead people to believe that they are going to say something that will change life as we know it, to change the requirement to 60 hours.

  The visits of the CO were a major event. They were received as semi-gods. People were very competitive over hosting the CO for lunch, but only on the Sunday, his last day. People were recommended and named elders and for other "privileges" based on how they came across. There was this one moron who knew nothing about anything, that became an elder. It was a horrendous experience. Seeing them talking out of his butt, incoherently, without making sense, and always over the allotted time, was just painful. But, he was an elder, and he was "appointed by Jehovah", so people just took it.

  The assemblies were very complicated in terms of all the work involved. The decorations in the stadiums were very flowery, the food they prepared was cooked and it was an entire menu. The cheesy dramas were as complicated as they were inappropriate for children (they really don't give a fuck about children). They were also longer in duration.

  To those younger, the way they started talking about "the dangers of the Internet" when it became mainstream, they also attacked TV. They were always criticizing and attacking anything that was popular on TV, regardless of the content.

  People who were creative or had a mind on their own, or ask questions were shamed for doing or being so. Some were physically punished (beaten) by their parents for expressing interest in higher education or in a hobby.

  Preaching in a rural area was fun because I got to ride my bike. Living communities are spread out, so when I didn't get to use my bike (actually, not mine, I'd borrow one; my parents thought that bikes were evil), I liked when we had to go to farther territories because that meant less time doing house to house work.

  There was a gestapo-like attitude around finding out if anyone in the congregation was doing something that is considered an offense. People were not close to each other and there was no trust. When something about someone was found out, every single person knew about it and more, as gossip always has the tendency of growing in the exaggeration direction. When a person was disfellowshipped, they used to say for what exactly over the platform.

  And that's how they expected me to like being a JW.