Posts by scratchme1010

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Land of the living dead

by hoser in

one of my children got disfellowshipped recently.

i was worried about that some of my jw friends and jw relatives would mention it to me and it would make for awkward conversation as i am glad that he is out.

i went to a jw family gathering.

scratchme1010

It is like this person has never existed.

Did you bring the subject of him? I would have, just to make a point. Also, how's your relationship with him? meybe he needs you more now than before.

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Just sittin' and mindin' my own business...

by Distracted in

i was sitting at a local city event enjoying watching an activity.

a friendly looking woman dressed in blue jeans and a floppy hippy looking top came and sat down besides me.

she notices i am sketching and says she likes to do this too.

scratchme1010

I felt so depressed I got up and left. On my way out, I spotted formally dressed Witnesses with a lit cart at one of the entrances. At least that is honest.

Keep the card with you. She will be back. When you see her again, return the card and tell her your equivalent of "shove it up your ass".

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Watchtower Doctrines JWs most commonly don't believe

by Diogenesister in

there was a recent thread on another site where posters maintained that many of the *most* long-standing jw's don't believe at least one official watchtower doctrine.

i've even read reports from bethelites saying they've heard bethel overseers say they don't believe some watchtower theology.

this made me think - i believe there are a few official doctrines that are common for many jw's to be either in denial about or simply not really believe ( often one and the same thing).. i'd say these are pretty high in the ranking:.

scratchme1010

Diogenesister, I can't think of any in addition to the ones you mention.

Goes to show you yet again that people don't stay because of doctrine or believes, but because of other reasons that have nothing to do with what they teach or believe.

pale.emperor, that's a great video. Thanks for sharing.

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I'm giving up in 2017! (More steps in my fading)

by Skepsis in

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when i joined this site at the beginning of this year, i was serving as an uber-zealous regular pioneer and ms in a foreign congregation where the need is greater.

i was giving public talks and having parts at regional conventions.

had started to have doubts but i hadn't time to focus on them, i simply was overcharged with so many activities and things to do.. i started by quitting pioneering but couldn't think i would give further steps for a long time.

scratchme1010

God to know, Skepsis. I'm very happy for you.

Question, what are you doing with all the time you used to spend in JW activities? Are you bringing new people to your life?

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I'm a great MIB fan !!!!

by yoko N in

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LOL!

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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

by unsure in

do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.

scratchme1010

About the OP:

EDIT: even though I have the "draw" to Christianity, I would be lying to myself if I said the Bible made sense TO ME.

Good for you. You will get no judgement from me one way or another. best wishes.

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Did a current or ex-JW help you to awaken?

by TweetieBird in

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was there something that was said to you that got the wheel turning in your brain, that caused you to start waking up to ttatt, either by a jw or ex-jw that you didn't know was awake?

i'm trying to think of things i can say or ask of my current family members still in that may help them to start seeing the real truth about the organization.

they think we're still in..

scratchme1010

Was there something that was said to you that got the wheel turning in your brain, that caused you to start waking up to TTATT, either by a JW or ex-JW that you didn't know was awake?

Not something that was said to me and made me think differently. I had no need for learn anything new or different. As a born in I was in fact quite fed up with people trying to rule my life based on some interpretation of something. I couldn't care less about what they teach. The actions, attitudes and behavior of their so-called spiritual paradise were speaking volumes to me about how full of --it they are.

What did make me start the process of fading had more to do with the way I was treated. The final straw was some JW bitch that started yelling at me because I wasn't shaved. I was in the state where I started realizing that I needed to walk away from my own family and life as I knew it, and I was in that part where it was sinking in for the first time. I was thinking that I needed proof that they really cared about me, that if they were the loving, caring spiritual paradise that they claim to be, that they will just show it. The next day, I went to help cleaning and fixing things at the KH, and that's when that bitch started giving me all this --it about me being in the KH (not at a meeting, just helping with cleaning) without shaving. That was indication enough for me about what I could get from them.

I'm trying to think of things I can say or ask of my current family members still in that may help them to start seeing the real truth about the organization. They think we're still in.

My suggestion is instead of telling them things about the WT or the JWs, to ask them questions. Then listen closely to their answers. Do you know what to ask them? Here's what I'd ask them:

1. Who was the first JW in the family?

2. How did that person came to become a JW (they love, love, love giving their experience, and it's in your best interest to listen closely since that's what's going to give you the information that you need).

3. Ask about how their decision to baptize came about. When, what do they remember, etc. Again, you will be looking for certain important information.

4. Ask them about their most important and fond memories and experiences that they have had so far as JWs. (I know this is starting to sound like you want to be converted back to JW, but no, there's a lot of important information that you need, plus this has proven to be a great approach).

After that you will have the best and most effective ammunition. Here's what you can pay attention to:

1. Their real reasons to join the JW. Still baffles me that people start from the point of discussing the JW teachings first when they want to help others out. Think of this: when people start taking bible studies they know nothing about their teachings, so obviously, what they teach is not the first thing that makes them interested. That information can tell you what made them interested in starting bible studies, not what they learned in the bible studies. That's what you need to address.

2. Knowing the first JW in the family identifies the person who made the most influence in the rest of the family. It is important to recognize the influence that such person had in making the rest join and leading them to where they are now. There may be a sense of loyalty to that person, or not (sometimes that first JW ends up leaving first too). That information can give you the "who" about the one that started the JW venture, or who they look up to. This piece of information may or may not be relevant.

3. When people share about their journey as JWs, they love being listened to. They feel comfortable talking to you, and they put their guards down. Remember, as brainwashed people, they are led to believe that being listened to is not about them, they think that their Jehovah is speaking his word through them. Capitalize on it. either way, they feel good, and you want them to be relaxed; you don't want to be confrontational.

Also, the content of what they say speaks volumes about the things that matter to them and the things that make them stay in the JWs. That information is what you need to know that speaks to them, so you can concentrate in addressing the things that they consider important. That's what you should address first.

You may want to talk to them in their terms, and about things that speak to them. The best way of doing that is by first finding what that is. You also want to make them feel comfortable talking, so confronting them about some doctrine may not be the most effective way (that is, if you have tried it and hasn't worked). BTW, I'd say it's a mistake to think that because they are JWs that what speaks to them is obvious. It isn't. You won't lose anything by asking anyway.

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Imagine if Jw ran schools ?

by Chook in

after learning the alphabet no other education required.

history would be distorted, science rejected.

i'm surprised that gb didn't realise there is big money in education, big tony could be the professor of bullshit..

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After learning the alphabet no other education required. History would be distorted, science rejected. I'm surprised that GB didn't realise there is big money in education, big Tony could be the professor of bullshit.

I don't think it would be a lot different if any other religion did the same. Oh, wait, other religions do run schools and do that.

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Has anyone noticed how Tony Morris is always referring to his notes ?

by Chook in

i honestly believe he has memory difficulties, him and mr letts iq is not much greater than a rabbit.

no the rabbit wins..

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Feels good not even knowing who Tony Morris is.

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I got a new visit by an elder and an ms .

by Chook in

the conversation soon got to spiritual subjects, this elder is company man all through and side kick well he's learning the ropes.

bang mentioned snake antivenin, blood factions, then big geoffrey jackson saying presumptuous, then vin toole in the arc saying he had never heard of theocratic warfare.

then told how god made exceptions to the rules on blood when soldiers ate unbled meat.

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You are still not saying what their reply was. What was their reaction?