i remembered recently an article i read in a watchtower or awake!
about 1973 or 1974. a woman gave her story of how she had rejected the fight for women's rights (it may have used the term women's lib or liberation) and became a jw.
she lived in nyc and i actually met her briefly when i was at bethel.
Great find. I may add that i remember that in the early 80s there was another article criticizing sand ridiculing women who were for women's rights. I remember distinctively them allegedly quoting a woman who was regretting wanting to have "a man's life" and wanting to go back home to do her chores.
Not sure if that helps, but there are more articles attacking women's rights.
paradisewas it really paradise to be in paradise?adam and eve never were held by a mother, never cuddled and sung to with a lullaby nor nursed or coddled with tenderness or any human familial embrace.
the first humans (adam and eve) never learned to toddle surrounded by brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles and grandparents cheering them on.
the entire experience of childhood was excised surgically like a trauma patient awakening from an accident with amnesia.adam and eve were never in a neighborhood with other kids forming friendship bonds for life and exchanging dreams and hopes for a future they were building in their community.
I mean: really? Is this PARADISE or a ridiculous fantasy story passed down from primitive minds?
The entire story as recorded in the Bible or as told by Christians has never made sense from any perspective. I never looked at it the way you presented, and that reinforces my view of how ridiculous the entire story is.
Great thoughts.
do you remember going to the meetings because you had to??
there were times when you were sick or definitely under the weather or perhaps you were exhausted physically and or mentally, and you were still required to go to the meetings!
even during inclement weather you had to go.
Do you remember going to the meetings because you had to??
Since I am born-in, I think that going to meetings because I had to was a given. I had no saying as a child. As an adolescent, for about 2 years I went because I decided to give the Jehovah crap a try. So out of the 23 years I was dealing with the WT I went to meetings because I had to for 21 years. Yes, I remember.
for some background - i studied on & off as a child with a jehovah's witness who has been patiently working on lots of our family for more than a decade and never gave up on any of us.
as a middle-schooler and a highschooler, my love for jehovah and any association with my childhoood bible teacher... faded.
disappeared.
Some members here will only criticise & ridicule you for having any kind of faith, while others will try to be constructive and sincerely demonstrate scripturally & factually how the WTBTS is not what it presents itself as - God's chosen organization
Again, nonsense. Telling things the way they are is not attacking and ridiculing. She didn't come here to talk about her faith. She came here to tell others to follow her Jehovah crap because apparently she was ":saved" by it. I see no taking any responsibility for her own actions and blaming her poor decision making on "Satan", "the world", and anything and everything but her own irresponsible self.
Some of us have no need, interest and DON'T HAVE to be educational, nor have to show her anything about their teachings. That is not an attack, that is showing facts and not engaging or buying into their Jehovah crap.
It is disrespectful for people to come here to preach and tell others to go back to the Jehovah shit that many of us chose to walk away from for solid, good, educated and logical reasons.
There are plenty of other places for people to go proselytize and try to gain converts. If she chooses to do it here (and obviously she has a history of making poor choices), then don't expect people to like it, welcome her Jehovah crap, or buy into the nonsense that we decided not to listen to.
You can talk about your faith all you want, I will defend your right to do so. Don't expect all people to like it.
i want to share my story.
(might be a tad long).
i have no idea where i stand anymore regarding being a jw and where i stand in my marriage.. im 28 years old and the years are certainly ticking by.
Hello. I can't offer help or advise, other than please keep posting, read, research, learn, and find your way on your own. Trust yourself.
for some background - i studied on & off as a child with a jehovah's witness who has been patiently working on lots of our family for more than a decade and never gave up on any of us.
as a middle-schooler and a highschooler, my love for jehovah and any association with my childhoood bible teacher... faded.
disappeared.
I urge all of you to focus on your personal relationships with Jehovah.
More nonsense.
Don't let anything (the earthly organization does or doesn't do) stumble you.
Why are either of you here then?
He who endures faithfully to the end is the one who will be saved.
Please keep enduring all you want... just not in this forum.
the watchtower corporations main appeal is a everlasting life, this makes it possible for one to avoid existential dread.
this type of anxiety is a part of the human condition, and it explains the appeal of many religions to the human condition as it offers some relief from the anxiety about our life ending.. psychologist show the importance for facing this dread/anxiety.
my feeling is that the more you can accept the fact that your life is very very temporal, the better you will live your life as you accept that you are very temporary and try to live life to the full and not be duped by religions appeal to calm this anxiety.. https://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/types/existential .
This type of anxiety is a part of the human condition, and it explains the appeal of many religions to the human condition as it offers some relief from the anxiety about our life ending.
Either I'm not human, or such anxiety isn't really part of the human condition. I can't care less about the fact that I will die one day. I don't dread my existence. I don't worry about the fact that life is fragile and can end at any moment. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. I have no control over it, so why worry? I am aware of it, but that's all I have, awareness, not anxiety or dread.
it was just about a year ago exactly that i really and truly decided in my mind where i stood and as rutherford would say "face the facts".
before that, there was a period of about two years where i almost felt like i had a dual personality, vacillating between pro and anti jw, a very confusing, draining mental state to be in.
and it all started over seven years ago in 2010, when i read "apostate" material on the internet.
Happy PIMO birthday.
some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
Some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral. Some people don't.
Does morality exist? If so, prove it.
It exists, not the way you can define an object or even an idea. That's not what a definition of morals is.
for some background - i studied on & off as a child with a jehovah's witness who has been patiently working on lots of our family for more than a decade and never gave up on any of us.
as a middle-schooler and a highschooler, my love for jehovah and any association with my childhoood bible teacher... faded.
disappeared.
- God does exist. You just have to seek him and he will seek you.
No, he doesn't. And I see no need to seek him for anything.
- I had a taste of the world and was not satisfied.
You had a taste of making bad decisions, which not everybody does. The world, as much as the WT claims that they are not part of, is both inside and outside that organization. Same bad things can and have happened to people inside that organization, and have made the same bad decisions.
- It is rewarding serving Jehovah instead of Satan
Nonsense. Neither of those two exist.
- you can come up out of any circumstance, even if it seems impossible at the moment. Dont give up!
That has nothing to do with being a JW. I can tell you way more about that than you could in your entire lifetime.
- by your conduct, others will follow
More nonsense. People are not robots. If people decided to copy another person't behavior, they are still responsible for their own decisions. Enough with the guilt trips.
Have a nice life.
