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  HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!

  by WTS Archive in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  tl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.

  please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).

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  I wish I could just go to support her, but now with slimboyfat's comment, I'd like to make sure that this is a verifiable story.
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  Realtors and Financial Advisors needed: Watchtower Real Estate deals

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://a836-acris.nyc.gov/ds/documentsearch/partynameresult?page=2.

  i don’t know if this topic has been discussed before.

  here are the public records of some of the re transactions done by the wt.

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  The IRS is curios (I think). They are a little slow and therefore tend to catch people evading taxes when offguard. However, maybe the WT does pay their due taxes.

  What I see more relevant is that this may be the reason why they allow JWs to slack a lot more than before and they are more relaxed. Their main source of income is real estate not getting people to work for them house to house for free.
  
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  Do JW's ever really grow up ?

  by Phizzy in

  1. social
  2. family

  i ask the above because of my personal experience.

  as a born-in i was naive, socially inept and had never really thought deeply about anything.. i was also unable to accept arguments based upon reason and facts.. just like a child.. it was only after freeing myself from the mind-control of the jw cult that i educated myself and matured as a person to being (almost) an adult.. jw's attitudes and their inability to debate in any meaningful way, (they could start by actually listening),means they have not grown up..

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  scratchme1010

  I ask the above because of my personal experience. As a born-in I was naive, socially inept and had never really thought deeply about anything.

  I was also unable to accept arguments based upon reason and facts.

  Just like a child.

  It was only after freeing myself from the Mind-control of the JW cult that I educated myself and matured as a person to being (almost) an adult.

  JW's attitudes and their inability to debate in any meaningful way, (they could start by actually listening),means they have not grown up.

  As another born-in, I too was naive (to a hi degree, though I've always been very observant and a fast learner). Socially I was awkward.

  In my case, however, I developed a lot of independent thinking. I had to, that's how I survived. I learned a lot by observing people in the congregation's behaviors.

  Once out, my attitude was one of freedom and wanting to make up for lost time, so I started trying to learn as much as possible as fast as possible. However, later I did learn an important lesson, which is that it was important not to completely dismiss my JW past. For once, not everything they say is necessarily untrue when it comes to the kind of people one should let in their lives. The part that they get very wrong with that is that they claim that they are the keepers.

  The JW way of thinking, the tunnel vision, the naive explanation for things, the black and white mentality, all those things can be removed from your life. It is possible to learn to think differently. I did. However, emotionally, the negative influence of that organization is always going to haunt me. I try to keep it to a minimum.

  But yes, as an ex-JW with now plenty to show for, I can definitely tell you that we do grow up, we do get rid of their way of thinking and acting. It's possible, though it feels very uncomfortable at times. Just make sure not to become what they claim you should if you leave them. I didn't and I am way happier and a much better person once I sent them to hell.
  
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  Speculation? What would Watchtower be now if it had fully embraced the internet / technology 20 years ago

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this has probably been discussed before so please feel free to include links as well.

  so what would wt be now if it had encouraged it's members to use the internet or technology for spreading the good news.

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  I think that that's what the WT has to do with any new advance in technology. They can't just embrace it, especially if it's a new technology that does some things that only the Internet can do: (1) provide lots of information (both reliable and unreliable) to people, massively and in real time and (2) Unite all the people they have shunned so they can now compare notes and unite.

  The WT had to prepare a good response to their crop, so they cannot just open them to the world of the Internet without ensuring that their interests are safe and taken care of first.

  The same thing happened with TV. I remember how many warnings there were about the "dangers" of TV, just like the "dangers of the Internet".

  Anything new that could pose a possible threat to them will be forbidden until they find a way to "let" their people use it and remain in control.
  
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  If Jehovah is our 'father', he would want humankind to independently govern itself

  by fukitol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all parents want their children to grow up, mature, and become happily independent.

  no normal father or parent would ever want to govern and rule over their children forever.. so if jehovah exists and he is a heavenly 'father' to his human progeny, and if we truly are in his image as his children, then humankind was always destined to govern itself.

  if you believe in the biblical narrative, jehovah always intended to let go of his human children and let us rule ourselves when we were ready.

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  All parents want their children to grow up, mature, and become happily independent.

  No normal father or parent would ever want to govern and rule over their children forever.

  So if Jehovah exists and he is a heavenly 'Father' to his human progeny, and if we truly are in his image as his children, then humankind was always destined to govern itself.

  If you believe in the Biblical narrative, Jehovah always intended to let go of his human children and let us rule ourselves when we were ready. This was as naturally a part of God's purpose as it is natural for all living beings to let go of their matured offspring.

  Satan merely brought this plan forward. He always knew Jehovah intended mankind to govern itself eventually, but he forced Jehovah into giving mankind its independence prematurely through his interference in the garden of Eden. He claimed in the garden of Eden that mankind must learn morality and ethics by itself, the hard way, and in order to advance scientifically, so as to be fully self sufficient and ultimately govern itself successfully. Jehovah was forced to agree, despite knowing that his naive, inexperienced children would suffer terribly and hoping to mitigate that suffering.

  The upshot of this? God will NEVER intervene in human affairs. There is no need of a thousand year reign or paradise earth, preceded by a global divine genocide at Armageddon.

  As God's children in his image, it was always our inherent and divine destiny to govern ourselves, freely, without interference or being dictated to by some autocratic parent in heaven. This was always Jehovahs will; we have just been forced to get there the hard way, by ourselves. But we are and we will get there, slowly but surely, and painfully.

  And that destiny includes advanced longevity (likely a thousand years maximum), through medical and and robotic science and innovation. In fact, the scientific foundation for this already exists and is being pursued.

  ...or there never was any Satan, there never was a garden of Eden, there never was a plan, there never was a Jehovah. In fact, the scientific foundation for that already exists and is being pursued.
  
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  Where Can One Get Answers To Questions From JWs?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there's also a fellow who calls himself the "watchman," but he seems as critical as many of the so-called "apostates.

  " is there a place where one can ask questions from knowledgeable believers or "a" believer?

  i really don't want to take the bible lessons.

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  I've tried JW.org. There's also a fellow who calls himself the "Watchman," but he seems as critical as many of the so-called "apostates." Is there a place where one can ask questions from knowledgeable believers or "a" believer? Or does someone know someone who does it? I really don't want to take the Bible Lessons. I'm just interested in an occasional answer to a question by someone who knows what they're talking about and can add some discussion.

  Thanks!

  I'm not clear about what you are looking for. You have questions, but you are looking for certain type of answer only? Seems like you want to hear the answers you like, so then why asking?
  
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  Watchtower Study Article 23/10/16 from August edition

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-august-2016/do-you-see-the-need-to-train-others/.

  much of the article is the usual thoughtless mush that we have come to expect these days.

  the rank and file bros. are urged to reach out to train the new ones... .

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  One the first things i saw when I started realizing that the WT is full of nonsense is the fact that they claim that they are all about the bible yet, they have gazillions of publications to explain, interpret and allegedly facilitate its understanding.

  I for once, started preaching at a very young age, as a child, and I remember leaving in people's hands lots and lots of WT publications, but can't remember once leaving a single bible to anyone.
  
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  Trump supporters want to repeal 19th amendment

  by keyser soze in

  1. social
  2. current

  seriously, you can't make this shit up.

  and these same people will accuse hillary of rigging the election after she wins:.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-supporters-repeal-19th-amendment-article-1.2828571.

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  Please, not all that consider voting for Trump are "misogynists, stupid or dumb".
  

  Worse that that because those choose to vote for a misogynists, stupid and dumb, even though they know better.
  
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  A JW Calling Down Evil Upon Others!

  by Divergent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

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  stash: /intesoft-inc.appspot.com/post/0185f744fb5e464488b296f2b74e4ccd.html

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  So some things and some people haven't changed. The funny thing is that the JW bitch thinks of herself as a loving nice Christian, deserving of her Jehovah's favor. How disgusting.
  
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  Impact of NWT

  by menrov in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi all, just recently i was thinking about the period of my study and eventual baptism as jw.

  it took many years, i guess in all about 10 years.

  various times i stopped the study but after a while it started again.

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  So my question is: would anyone become a baptized JW when he/she only uses another bible, not the NWT?

  Possible but doubt it.
  

  In other words, if I would have continued to use my own bible, would I ever feel the need to become a baptized JW?
  

  I don't see how using a different bible may affect your decision. I personally don't see a correlation between one thing and the other.