freddo The ones I took part it in seems to be superceded by this arrangement ?/- I have not been in the Borgian loop since 2010 - not sure - the docs look the same-ish ! But it went on forever this meeting. Also I did not handle the forms as CO had them in his hands.
It can be a way to put the knife into elders you don't like or are jealous of regarding "speaking prowess".
Then too we were reminded to look at the bro's who were more "charismatic" in their speaking style.
Other factors that were looked at were: Does he have his family in subjection ...............otherwise don't recommend him for talks / demo's related to family/