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ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara
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Another Gem Of a Book
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara incurrently reading recovery from abusive groups by wendy ford.
a truly worth reading book.
so many things resonates with jdumbs and what i have heard people go through!
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Jdumbs Self Preservation tactics
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara incurrently reading "cults,faith-healing and coercion".
very informative info on many cults, sects and behaviors.
reading different books on cults i personally gives me the knowledge to better understand the behavior and thoughts inside ones who are in a cult;which gives me a better handle on how to help wake them up without them going into denial.
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Sorry the post is long
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Jdumbs Self Preservation tactics
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara incurrently reading "cults,faith-healing and coercion".
very informative info on many cults, sects and behaviors.
reading different books on cults i personally gives me the knowledge to better understand the behavior and thoughts inside ones who are in a cult;which gives me a better handle on how to help wake them up without them going into denial.
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Currently reading "Cults,Faith-Healing and coercion". Very informative info on many cults, sects and behaviors. Reading different books on cults I personally gives me the knowledge to better understand the behavior and thoughts inside ones who are in a cult;which gives me a better handle on how to help wake them up without them going into denial. Also I love reading . Just sharing some lines for you to analyse too.
"In some religious cults, as shown in Debbie's experience, converts are introduced to the group's ideology only after they have affiliated. Once they have identified with the group's general orientation, though, they accept the particulars of belief quite readily when these are spelled out (jdumb strategy at work is it not).
Members of these groups tend to be intensely concerned about each other's well-being, and are deeply committed to joint activities. Their social cohesiveness, essential to the group's integrity, is reflected in the close intertwining of the individual's life circumstances with those of all group members. Meetings are frequent; they serve as a focus for group functions and articulate their cohesiveness. Members often express their need to associate regularly with each other by developing joint activities such as minor group tasks and rituals, which in turn justify such meetings."
"A different scientific perspective—a systems approach—can be used to analyze a group's structure and functioning. 1 0 In looking at a system, we do notfirst ask what motivates an individual member to act. Instead we say, "How are the group's needs met by the overall behavior observed in its membership?" From this viewpoint many observations of individual behavior can be synthesized into a model that can help us to better understand motivations. We may consider these individuals' behavior as it is generated by the needs of the social group, even when it seems to run contrary to their interests and personalities. This enables us to see how strongly they can be influenced to conform to the system's need to stabilize and carry out broader objectives.
Many years ago I saw a striking example of how this influence filters the impact of events within one group on another. On a Sunday in November 1978 a banner headline in The New York Times read, "GUYANA TOLL IS RAISED TO AT LEAST 900 BY U. S., WITH 260 CHILDREN AMONG THE VICTIMS AT COLONY." It was rapidly becoming clear that a bizarre and frightening situation of historic proportions had arisen in the past week among the followers of the cult leader Jim Jones. A mass suicide of American citizens had occurred in an isolated South American encampment where members of this group had sequestered themselves. Ironically, Jones was a Protestant minister who had been an esteemed member of the San Francisco Bay Area religious community only months before.
I wondered whether some shock wave might have struck the group by now. I knew the young man at the reception desk, and remarked how unfortunate it was that events in Jonestown might be used against his church. He said, "It's sad it happened to them. But no one would compare us to that terrible group."
The Moonie members, functioning as an integrated social system, had somehow developed a psychologically defensive perspective. Their denial of the implications of the Jonestown affair apparently protected the group from being confronted by the similarities that might be drawn between their own cult-like structure and that of the Peoples Temple. Members of this social system had obviously arrived at a consensus that, above all, assured the system's equilibrium by quashing potentially threatening self-examination."
So many things resonates with cults and the jdumbs; their refusal to believe news about child abuse cases, lawsuits Shunning etc . Anything critical is persecution and lies by the apostate. It is a self-preservation syndrome/tactic.
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Quote Misquote Misleading
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara inthe latest watchtowel (march 2020) study edition has a question from readers ‘what evidence exists outside the bible that the israelites were slaves in egypt?’ from what i read in the bible unearthed there being nothing to base any claims on.
the article gives a quote by ‘dr.
bimson : “the biblical traditions of the bondage in egypt and of the exodus have a firm historical basis.” no links or sources given.
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@Earnest, Thank you for clearing it up. Your extracted lines gave me clarity thanks again.
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Quote Misquote Misleading
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara inthe latest watchtowel (march 2020) study edition has a question from readers ‘what evidence exists outside the bible that the israelites were slaves in egypt?’ from what i read in the bible unearthed there being nothing to base any claims on.
the article gives a quote by ‘dr.
bimson : “the biblical traditions of the bondage in egypt and of the exodus have a firm historical basis.” no links or sources given.
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The latest watchtowel (March 2020) study edition has a question from readers ‘What evidence exists outside the Bible that the Israelites were slaves in Egypt?’ from what I read in The Bible Unearthed there being nothing to base any claims on. The article gives a quote by ‘Dr. Bimson : “The biblical traditions of the bondage in Egypt and of the Exodus have a firm historical basis.” no links or sources given. So I did some research and found a whole pdf from where this was taken from and the quote is no where near what they seem to be wanting the reader to conclude/believe. Personally I do not care any which way it goes.
But washtowel certainly misquotes dr.bimson. Here is a little gist from where it was taken from and decide for yourself.If I am seeing this wrong let me know: " IN the opening pages of Redating the Exodus and Conquest, 1
John J. Bimson identifies two major assumptions of his study.
First, he maintains that "the biblical traditions of the bondage in Egypt and of the Exodus have a firm historical basis."
It is 2MAJOR ASSUMPTIONS but they write it down as if they were facts.
F###### Slave-Holders
Here is the link : https://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/gtj/04-2_245.pdf
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Another Gem Of a Book
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara incurrently reading recovery from abusive groups by wendy ford.
a truly worth reading book.
so many things resonates with jdumbs and what i have heard people go through!
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This book is by far the BEST book on cults for excultists IMHO. I have been battling with quite a few revelations about me ,inner me since I woke up and only now through this book have all those puzzle pieces which were in the air come together, reinforcing my recovery to a healthier me. Most of all I am grateful that I have been recovering and healing in leaps and bounds without even realizing it till this book.I am just happy that my personality ,my inner self was way stronger than what I thought it was and today can see that I was running headlong towards recovering from the jdumb slave-holders.
Wish the same for all of you.
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"When you're recruited into a cult, a cult personality or identity is superimposed onto your own personality. The cult reinforces and strengthens this cult identity through chanting and meditation, the restriction of language, and through information control-both from external sources and internally by cutting off certain mental functions, such as reflection and reason.
As the years go by, the cult personality remains dominant, successfully reinforced by the cult. The old you is there but quietly buried (for some not so quietly) waiting to be freed, like a bird in a cage. Once a person becomes aware of the psychological controls the cult has used and of the discrediting information about the cult and its leaders, the follower begins to reuse the mind and much of the old personality begins to emerge from hibernation."
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(WATCHTOWER--- where love crawls to die)
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Another Gem Of a Book
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara incurrently reading recovery from abusive groups by wendy ford.
a truly worth reading book.
so many things resonates with jdumbs and what i have heard people go through!
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As I keep reading more pages, I am utterly mesmerized as to how much she speaks well and in details about every aspect of a person who once has been in a cult and how she helps rebuild every aspect of their life.
Also I love the fact that she has incorporated little exercises to help one reevaluate things towards recovery and these are also well thought out.I encourage all to have a read of this book.
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"Some ex-cultists, because of the constraints of the cult, missed critical life events with families and friends, such as births, deaths, marriages, religious observances, and graduations. Remember, it was the psychological controls and demands of the cult that kept you from participating in these events. Thus, it may help you to discuss this loss with the family and to hear that the family has forgiven you. Forgive yourself, too, and grieve the loss of not having been a part of these events. You handled your responsibilities as best you could under mind control. Blame the cult, not yourself."
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Another Gem Of a Book
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara incurrently reading recovery from abusive groups by wendy ford.
a truly worth reading book.
so many things resonates with jdumbs and what i have heard people go through!
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Secret memo to Circuit Overseers "former child abuser" who was elder\MS moved to another congregation
by BottleGate_ inin 1998, #watchtower mailed a secret memo to all circuit overseers in which it was announced that when a "former child abuser" who was also an elder or ms moved to another congregation, the new congregation would **not** be informed of his past sins.
read: institutional cover-up!
https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1209556534944026624
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ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara
Chapter 8 page 47 of the Shear/Fleece the Flock book says it.
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Secret memo to Circuit Overseers "former child abuser" who was elder\MS moved to another congregation
by BottleGate_ inin 1998, #watchtower mailed a secret memo to all circuit overseers in which it was announced that when a "former child abuser" who was also an elder or ms moved to another congregation, the new congregation would **not** be informed of his past sins.
read: institutional cover-up!
https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1209556534944026624
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The "shepherding the flock" book has these instructions too .I have read it in there somewhere. I will see if I can find it.
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