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  Quote Misquote Misleading

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  the latest watchtowel (march 2020) study edition has a question from readers ‘what evidence exists outside the bible that the israelites were slaves in egypt?’ from what i read in the bible unearthed there being nothing to base any claims on.

  the article gives a quote by ‘dr.

  bimson : “the biblical traditions of the bondage in egypt and of the exodus have a firm historical basis.” no links or sources given.

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  @Earnest, Thank you for clearing it up. Your extracted lines gave me clarity thanks again.

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  Quote Misquote Misleading

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the latest watchtowel (march 2020) study edition has a question from readers ‘what evidence exists outside the bible that the israelites were slaves in egypt?’ from what i read in the bible unearthed there being nothing to base any claims on.

  the article gives a quote by ‘dr.

  bimson : “the biblical traditions of the bondage in egypt and of the exodus have a firm historical basis.” no links or sources given.

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  The latest watchtowel (March 2020) study edition has a question from readers ‘What evidence exists outside the Bible that the Israelites were slaves in Egypt?’ from what I read in The Bible Unearthed there being nothing to base any claims on. The article gives a quote by ‘Dr. Bimson : “The biblical traditions of the bondage in Egypt and of the Exodus have a firm historical basis.” no links or sources given. So I did some research and found a whole pdf from where this was taken from and the quote is no where near what they seem to be wanting the reader to conclude/believe. Personally I do not care any which way it goes.

  But washtowel certainly misquotes dr.bimson. Here is a little gist from where it was taken from and decide for yourself.If I am seeing this wrong let me know: " IN the opening pages of Redating the Exodus and Conquest, 1

  John J. Bimson identifies two major assumptions of his study.

  First, he maintains that "the biblical traditions of the bondage in Egypt and of the Exodus have a firm historical basis."

  It is 2MAJOR ASSUMPTIONS but they write it down as if they were facts.

  F###### Slave-Holders

  Here is the link : https://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/gtj/04-2_245.pdf

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  Another Gem Of a Book

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  currently reading recovery from abusive groups by wendy ford.

  a truly worth reading book.

  so many things resonates with jdumbs and what i have heard people go through!

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  This book is by far the BEST book on cults for excultists IMHO. I have been battling with quite a few revelations about me ,inner me since I woke up and only now through this book have all those puzzle pieces which were in the air come together, reinforcing my recovery to a healthier me. Most of all I am grateful that I have been recovering and healing in leaps and bounds without even realizing it till this book.I am just happy that my personality ,my inner self was way stronger than what I thought it was and today can see that I was running headlong towards recovering from the jdumb slave-holders.

  Wish the same for all of you.

  A few more lines

  "When you're recruited into a cult, a cult personality or identity is superimposed onto your own personality. The cult reinforces and strengthens this cult identity through chanting and meditation, the restriction of language, and through information control-both from external sources and internally by cutting off certain mental functions, such as reflection and reason.

  As the years go by, the cult personality remains dominant, successfully reinforced by the cult. The old you is there but quietly buried (for some not so quietly) waiting to be freed, like a bird in a cage. Once a person becomes aware of the psychological controls the cult has used and of the discrediting information about the cult and its leaders, the follower begins to reuse the mind and much of the old personality begins to emerge from hibernation."

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  (WATCHTOWER--- where love crawls to die)

  
  
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  Another Gem Of a Book

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  currently reading recovery from abusive groups by wendy ford.

  a truly worth reading book.

  so many things resonates with jdumbs and what i have heard people go through!

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  As I keep reading more pages, I am utterly mesmerized as to how much she speaks well and in details about every aspect of a person who once has been in a cult and how she helps rebuild every aspect of their life.

  Also I love the fact that she has incorporated little exercises to help one reevaluate things towards recovery and these are also well thought out.I encourage all to have a read of this book.

  Some more egs:

  "Some ex-cultists, because of the constraints of the cult, missed critical life events with families and friends, such as births, deaths, marriages, religious observances, and graduations. Remember, it was the psychological controls and demands of the cult that kept you from participating in these events. Thus, it may help you to discuss this loss with the family and to hear that the family has forgiven you. Forgive yourself, too, and grieve the loss of not having been a part of these events. You handled your responsibilities as best you could under mind control. Blame the cult, not yourself."

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  Another Gem Of a Book

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  currently reading recovery from abusive groups by wendy ford.

  a truly worth reading book.

  so many things resonates with jdumbs and what i have heard people go through!

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  Secret memo to Circuit Overseers "former child abuser" who was elder\MS moved to another congregation

  by BottleGate_ in

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  in 1998, #watchtower mailed a secret memo to all circuit overseers in which it was announced that when a "former child abuser" who was also an elder or ms moved to another congregation, the new congregation would **not** be informed of his past sins.

  read: institutional cover-up!

  https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1209556534944026624

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  Chapter 8 page 47 of the Shear/Fleece the Flock book says it.

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  Secret memo to Circuit Overseers "former child abuser" who was elder\MS moved to another congregation

  by BottleGate_ in

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  in 1998, #watchtower mailed a secret memo to all circuit overseers in which it was announced that when a "former child abuser" who was also an elder or ms moved to another congregation, the new congregation would **not** be informed of his past sins.

  read: institutional cover-up!

  https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1209556534944026624

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  The "shepherding the flock" book has these instructions too .I have read it in there somewhere. I will see if I can find it.

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  Another Gem Of a Book

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  currently reading recovery from abusive groups by wendy ford.

  a truly worth reading book.

  so many things resonates with jdumbs and what i have heard people go through!

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  Describes every stage / steps I have been through precisely, bang on as if I wrote these lines.:

  "Thoughts and doubts which challenge the teachings are shameful. There is also a sense of betraying the leader. This shame inhibits critical thinking. No thinking means no mental exercise. No mental exercise means atrophy. To rebuild the mind, the ex-cultist needs to reflect upon information, wonder about how pieces fit together, and ponder ideas.

  The challenge to thinking, however, is that as you ponder you may find yourself coming up with new and different conclusions about many things. It takes courage to face these reflections honestly and not to run away from them or hide behind a myth.

  As time went by, I found myself scrutinizing everything I believed in, such as religion (what is God now), the purpose of government (why isn't it more effective and why doesn't it get rid of the cults), the purpose of language, the responsibility of friends, trust (how could I ever trust anyone again), and more ".

  Well thought out presentation of her experience with so much clarity.

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  Excerpt from an interesting book ? ?

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  a deeply interesting read.. i have been reading: 'soul snatchers,the mechanics of cults' and i am finding it so precise in explaining /analysing cults.

  here is a few lines:.

  drug addiction and cult-membership have striking similarities.

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  @Spiral

  Agree fully with you Spiral. Once I started reading it I just could not put it down. I am having a load of books on cults and the like on my shelf,currently taking time out to read more.It is therapeutic for me.Check out my new post.

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  Another Gem Of a Book

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  currently reading recovery from abusive groups by wendy ford.

  a truly worth reading book.

  so many things resonates with jdumbs and what i have heard people go through!

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  Currently reading Recovery from Abusive groups by Wendy Ford

  A truly worth reading book. So many things resonates with jdumbs and what I have heard people go through! She has also hit the nail on the head like my previous post about a book. Every page had meaningful, valuable information which I guarantee many will find useful. This should be the "go to" for cultists and excultists imho.

  Decide for yourself. A little taste:

  "Many ex-cultists, especially in the early months, try to get anyone and everyone to comprehend the experience. This is not effective communication. Some, a bit less tactful, even try to cram comprehension down the throats of their listeners. Like a bull in a china shop, they do an "information dump" on anyone within range. If the listener doesn't understand, the ex-cultist gets frustrated and angry and/or judges the listener to be a fool. Those listeners who do manage to understand something out of this barrage are usually overwhelmed and frightened when they leave the discussion. This is not a healthy or responsible "

  My icing on the cake :

  "When Have I Studied Enough?

  One gauge I use to answer the question "how much studying is enough?" is that you have studied enough when:

  1. The experience has no more hold on your ability to live the life you want to live.

  2. You can explain the experience to other persons so they can understand it.

  3. You can explain mind control to other persons so they understand how and why it could happen to them."

  An amazing life experience well written .Truly a remarkable book.

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