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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"
by aqwsed12345 inthe narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.
the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).
he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.
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Hi again enoughisenough...
Jesus blood is poured out for anyone who is willing to take advantage of the ransom. But it is not necessary to partake of the emblems to be show faith in that blood, just like it wasn't necessary for Christians to be circumcised. It was difficult for Jewish Christians to realize that too.
Those who are raised up in the future resurrection during the 1000 year reign will not partake, and yet the blood is enough for them.
The purpose of the Lord's Evening Meal was to remind those of the 144,000 to keep awake until the Lord came to take them to their assignment. It's not like some kind of "golden ticket" or something. That's why the ritual will end when the marriage of the Lamb happens. Partaking of the wine and bread is a ritual, just like circumcision was a ritual, or the old Passover meal was a ritual. It was an expression of faith, but in and of itself it didn't save anyone.
Parts of Christendom have taught people for years that everybody needs to partake of the emblems, but that's not what the Bible teaches. Abraham was considered righteous by faith, and he wasn't even baptized.
There are two different covenants. Jehovah can't let a human "marry" a spirit creature. The first covenant is where Jehovah adopts the 144,000. By adopting the 144,000 and changing them into a new creation, the same kind as His son, Jehovah provides the legal basis to unite the two. Jesus himself makes the second covenant, the marriage covenant, with the 144,000. The covenant for the Kingdom is the marriage covenant. The marriage of the Lamb is when they are joined in the Kingdom, "taking home the bride". When anointed ones partake, they are just showing that they are aware that they are in that marriage covenant.
Those who will live on the earth don't have to be "changed" so they don't need those two covenants. The application of the ransom blood to them is poured out without their needing to partake of the wine/bread because they are not in the marriage covenant. They are automatically made part of that arrangement because Jesus took Adam's place. When he took Adam's place, he automatically inherited his kids and as their Eternal Father he now intercedes for them.
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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"
by aqwsed12345 inthe narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.
the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).
he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.
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It doesn't bother me if somebody wants to partake or not partake. It's just not required for someone who is not in that specific covenant.
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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"
by aqwsed12345 inthe narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.
the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).
he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.
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Matthew 26:26-28
"As they continued eating, Jesus took a loaf, and after saying a blessing, he broke it, and giving it to the disciples, he said: “Take, eat. This means my body.” And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins."
Eating the bread and wine at the Lord's Evening Meal is symbolic of being part of that specific covenant. It is specific direction for those in that covenant.
Luke 22:19,20
"Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf."
What covenant was Jesus talking about? The covenant for a Kingdom.
Luke 22:29,30
"I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel."
Literally taking in wine and bread doesn't save anyone. Jesus blood is what saves someone, and their faith in that blood.
Romans 14:17-18
"For the Kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but means righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit. For whoever slaves for Christ in this way is acceptable to God and has approval with men."
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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"
by aqwsed12345 inthe narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.
the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).
he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.
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Hi, enoughisenough🙂
I don't think anybody is "sinning" against anyone if they choose to partake or not. But as far as the scriptural precedent, when Moses installed the priests, he didn't spatter the blood on the whole nation, just on those who would be serving as priests. When he made sacrifices for the installment of the priests, it wasn't all the people that ate from it, it was just those who were being installed as priests.
Exodus 29:31-33
"You will take the ram of installation and boil its flesh in a holy place. Aaron and his sons will eat the flesh of the ram and the bread that is in the basket at the entrance of the tent of meeting. They are to eat the things with which atonement was made to install them as priests and to sanctify them. But an unauthorized person may not eat them, for they are something holy."
The high priest made atonement for the entire nation, but the installment sacrifices were specific to those serving as priests.
Jesus' sacrifice makes atonement for everybody, but the specific covenant put in place during the Lord's Evening Meal is only needed for those who will serve as priests, those who need to be a new creation to do that assignment.
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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"
by aqwsed12345 inthe narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.
the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).
he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.
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Vanderhoven7 has eyes of faith, that is why he can see what some others here cannot.
aqwsed12345 and SeaBreeze, When you read the scriptures, you see darkness because that is what is in your heart - darkness.
Matthew 6:23
"If the light that is in you is really darkness, how great that darkness is!"
1 John 1:5
"This is the message that we heard from him and are announcing to you: God is light, and there is no darkness at all in him."
aqwsed12345 and SeaBreeze, You think God is some kind of torturer. You are in darkness. When you say you are "born again" and now perfect you are lying.
1 John 1:6
"If we make the statement, “We are having fellowship with him,” and yet we go on walking in the darkness, we are lying and are not practicing the truth."
aqwsed12345 and SeaBreeze, You say you do not sin because you are "born again" but the scriptures say you are lying if you say that too.
1 John 1:8
"If we make the statement, “We have no sin,” we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us."
When you make your many accusations about clinging to false doctrines and preconceived notions, you are just betraying what is going on in your own hearts.
Jesus says to "born again" Christians at Revelation 3:19 "All those for whom I have affection, I reprove and discipline. So be zealous and repent." Your "spirit" is not perfect.
You would be wise to listen to Jesus' counsel.
Revelation 3:17,18
"Because you say, “I am rich and have acquired riches and do not need anything at all,” but you do not know that you are miserable and pitiful and poor and blind and naked, I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may become dressed and that the shame of your nakedness may not be exposed, and eyesalve to rub in your eyes so that you may see."
Love is golden. You are lacking love. God is Love. If you think He is a torturer, then you don't know anything at all.
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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"
by aqwsed12345 inthe narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.
the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).
he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.
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Ecclesiastes 9:5 says: "the dead know nothing at all"
punkofnice said: "Some living people a pretty stupid too."
SeaBreeze said: "Are you born again Easy Prompt?"
Why do you ask, SeaBreeze? Are you starting a club? Or are you on a special quest?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYcopzJ-T9w
"I don't think he'll be interested...he's already got one!"🤣
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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"
by aqwsed12345 inthe narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.
the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).
he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.
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"So you're saying the anointed are like the tribe of Levi and the rest of the christians with the earthly hope are likened to the 11 other tribes of Israel?"
Levi was one of the worst sons of Jacob. Levi's kids had to work at the temple, doing a job that really wasn't "glorious" when you look at what it entailed. Kind of like working in a kitchen today. Jehovah used one of the lowest members of Jacob's family to show that if he can love the lowly ones, how much more he loves the rest.
Revelation doesn't say that all the anointed are like Levi. The illustration in Revelation says that figuratively speaking, the 144,000 come out of all of Israel, a representative sample. "Israel" means "Contenders with God". All Christians contend for the blessing alongside God. Those who end up with that priest-assignment are not necessarily more spiritual or more intelligent or more anything just like Levi wasn't more spiritual than his brothers the rest of Israel/Jacob...the 144,000 are just a representative sample of all Christians "out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation."
"Can an anointed one of the 144,000 materialize in human form as they please when they visit the earth in the paradise?"
Romans 6:5
"If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection."
1 Corinthians 15:48,49
"Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one."
Did Jesus materialize a body and hang out with his buddies? Yes.
1 Corinthians 15:4-6
"...he was raised up on the third day according to the Scriptures; and that he appeared to Ceʹphas, and then to the Twelve. After that he appeared to more than 500 brothers at one time..."
The scriptures show that, yes, the anointed will be able to materialize and hang out on earth and visit in the paradise. In fact, their assignment necessitates that they be here.
"How is an anointed one of the 144,000 going to fix the planet's destructive nature with the deadly storms and earth quakes? Are they going to get quick physics lessons from God or Jesus on how to change the nature of the atmosphere and the geology of the ground? This sounds like that knowledge is way above their pay grade."
Does a baby need a lesson on how to breathe before it comes out of the womb? No. A baby is created with marvelous engineering. One moment it is getting oxygen through the umbilical cord of its mother. The next moment the heart changes gears and the lungs breathe in for the first time. It is instantaneous and no lesson is needed. A butterfly does not need a lesson on how to fly, even though it's never flown before. Jehovah Causes to Become.
If He can help a newborn baby know what to do without any lessons and a bug with a pin head know how to fly, He can help those other ones do what they need to do at the appointed time. If you could stop a storm, would you do it? If you could heal a kid, would you do it? Peter and Paul didn't need a lesson on healing when they were given the power to do it. They just did it.
Job 42:1-3
"Then Job said in reply to Jehovah:
“Now I know that you are able to do all things
And that nothing you have in mind to do is impossible for you.
You said, ‘Who is this who is obscuring my counsel without knowledge?’
Therefore I spoke, but without understanding
About things too wonderful for me, which I do not know."
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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"
by aqwsed12345 inthe narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.
the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).
he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.
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When it says in Revelation that "the 144,000 come out of the tribes of all Israel" - that shows that in context "all Israel" means "all Christians." The 144,000 are just a fraction of all faithful Christians.
Not all Christians are part of the 144,000, but all Christians have Christ as mediator.
Not all Christians need to be "born again" because not all Christians will be living in heaven. You only have to be "born again as a new creation" if you have to do that assignment as a king-priest.
All Christians have Christ as mediator in that he is the Way. We must walk in the way he tells us, obey the kingly law of love, follow him as our shepherd. We are "one flock" with "one shepherd".
All Christians will see Christ and work with him. He is our "Eternal Father" because he took Adam's place. If Adam hadn't sinned, he'd still be here on earth today to hang out with his offspring. Since he's not here, Jesus will be here instead. "Eternal Father" means he's not leaving. He can materialize and hang out whenever and wherever he wants to.
The illustration of the "marriage of the Lamb" is figurative. The anointed 144,000 become "partner" to Christ in that they have to also be a new creation to do the assigned task. Since Jesus was willing to forsake having a literal wife and literal offspring in order to redeem the offspring of Adam, Jehovah as a reward invented the figurative wife and helper for him and allowed him to adopt all Adam's kids.
Adam's kids were "dead" the day that Adam and Eve ate the fruit. The kids are "made alive" because of the ransom of the Christ. Since God's Word is as good as done, it is through their faith in that ransom blood that they, the kids, are saved. He is their ransom. His blood buys them back. The application of the blessings and healings are supported by the 144,000, like how the priests worked helping out at the temple, but the sacrifice for all is the Lamb and only the Lamb, Christ Jesus. He is the mediator for all who express faith and hope in his name.
In Revelation, many times in context when it says people are "killed" it is talking figuratively, as in "killed from their former course of conduct". They were "dead in their trespasses" but they "come to life" by means of faith. Their faith gives them a new hope to live forever.
During the great tribulation, many who do not believe in Christ today will turn around and say "we want to go with you people, for we have heard that God is with you people." It's not talking about "you people, Israel" meaning the anointed. It's talking about "you people, Israel" meaning all Christians, both the anointed to work as priests in the kingdom and those who will inherit the earth and make it a Paradise side-by-side working with the Christ, the one who said,
"You will be with me in Paradise."
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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A Timeline...
(1) Anointed all "sealed". Jesus is enthroned in heaven.
(2) Jesus kicks out the Devil, the great tribulation begins on earth.
(3) Religious institutions destroyed by the United Nations and associated governments. Refining of true Christians on earth out of all denominations and places, removal of false doctrines and clergy "leaders". Jesus as head of all true Christians.
(4) During 3 1/2 years (the appointed times of the nations, aka the great tribulation) governments have final opportunity to try to make a go of world rulership apart from God. Christians must maintain integrity and show allegiance to Christ and his kingdom by keeping faith and showing love and telling the truth about how the kingdom is coming soon to fix things and the all the earthly governments will be removed. Some formerly non-religious people will join us at that time in wanting to learn about and worship God. Others who had lost faith will also rejoin us at that time.
(5) Sometime after the 1260th day, the resurrection of the anointed ones who have died will take place, and the anointed who have not died will be "changed". The nations will see it and freak out. Again, some more will join us at that time.
(6) After the anointed have been around for a little while in changed materialized form, then they will all be gathered together with Jesus for the final part of the Armageddon battle, to protect all who want to worship God and to destroy those who would hurt God's little ones. Everyone will see them. The Devil will be locked up, the 1000 year reign will begin, and others will be resurrected during that time. Jesus and the anointed will walk the earth during that time.
(Just a note, when it says "the birds will eat their flesh" its figurative for "the angels". The angels will dispose of the bodies, not literal birds. Other parts of the Bible say "the name of the wicked will rot" and in the minor prophets when speaking about "rotting" it is figurative in context.)
(7) At the end of the 1000 year reign, after the final test, Jehovah will also walk the earth and be with all His kids.