hello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
"As far as I know"
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(Just goes to show how little you know.)
You have no clue what you are talking about, @SeaBreeze. You are making stuff up. I've very clearly expressed my faith in the ransom blood of the Christ. I am party to the new covenant, and I partake of the wine and the bread as evidence of that relationship with the Christ.
You are a slanderer, @SeaBreeze, and I have no desire to talk with you any more on this forum.
for a christian, only the moral commandments of the old testament are binding (as they cannot change), but the various liturgical, social, and other so-called casuistic laws no longer apply to them.
this includes dietary habits, such as the prohibition of pork or fat, as well as the prohibition of blood.. take a look at the following verses: mt 15:11, mk 7:15-19, acts 11:7-9, 1 tim 4:3-5.. the jehovah's witnesses say that, yes, but in the acts of the apostles (15) the consumption of blood, idol meat, and strangled animals is also prohibited, meaning the new testament still forbids it.
for catholics, the council of florence settled this issue, stating that this apostolic regulation was only a temporary measure to facilitate agreement between jews and gentiles in the early church.
Hebrews 10:26-31
"For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, but there is a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a burning indignation that is going to consume those in opposition. Anyone who has disregarded the Law of Moses dies without compassion on the testimony of two or three. How much greater punishment do you think a person will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God and who has regarded as of ordinary value the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit of undeserved kindness with contempt? For we know the One who said: “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again: “Jehovah will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
TD said: "you continue to regurgitate the dishonesty"
TD said: "The argument from silence (If that's your argument) is a logical fallacy"
TD said: "EasyPrompt appears to be confused about every material detail here"
TD said: "dishonest"
TD said: "ignorant"
TD said: "EasyPrompt, Your ignorance of your own ignorance is hard to deal with"
TD said: "So you can step off your fundamentalist pedestal and at least agree with Jesus of the Bible here.
While you're at it, you might want to reread (And possibly amend) your reply to Vanderhoven7 above"
Go ahead and drink your blood, @TD. Take your fractions. Whatever. Nobody's stopping you. But you can't say you weren't warned. I think it's nasty and God says it's an abomination, but you can do what you want, you have free will.
Acts 18:6
"But after they kept on opposing him and speaking abusively, he shook out his garments and said to them: “Let your blood be on your own heads. I am clean.""
@Vander, I am not going to argue with you about liver transplants.🙂
Taking in blood products in any form is wrong in God's eyes. When the blood comes out of the body, it needs to be disposed of. End of story.
"Abstain from blood."
(Nighty-night! Likely see you soon on another thread on another day...)
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in the torah, where the need for sanctuary cities is being established, a hypothetical situation is described where a bloke is swinging an axe, and the axe head flies off and kills another bloke.
the dead man's brother is designated "the avenger" and pursues the original guy in order to kill him for being responsible for the death.
he is allowed to do so, if the original guy doesn't make it to a sanctuary city.
Two Witnesses
In context, Deuteronomy 17:2-7 is talking about the sin of false worship. No one could be put to death for false worship unless there were at least two witnesses.
In context, Numbers 35:30-32 is talking about the sin of murder. No one could be put to death as a murderer unless there were at least two witnesses.
In context, Deuteronomy 19:15-19 is not talking about sexual sins. It is talking about any other kind of sin between two men, like moving back a boundary marker or attacking another man (those are the sins talked about earlier in chapter 19).
When the Mosaic Law is talking about sexual sins, it always mentions "woman" or "daughter" or something like that specifically (like at Leviticus chapter 18; Deuteronomy 27; Deuteronomy 22:25-27), and they don't mention two witnesses.
The accounts that mention "two witnesses" being required to convict someone are not about sexual sins. WTBT$ does not have scriptural support for their "two witness" rule.
in the torah, where the need for sanctuary cities is being established, a hypothetical situation is described where a bloke is swinging an axe, and the axe head flies off and kills another bloke.
the dead man's brother is designated "the avenger" and pursues the original guy in order to kill him for being responsible for the death.
he is allowed to do so, if the original guy doesn't make it to a sanctuary city.
Here's another time that "two witnesses" were not needed in the OT...
Deuteronomy 22:25-27
"If, however, the man happened to meet the engaged girl in the field and the man overpowered her and lay down with her, the man who lay down with her is to die by himself, and you must do nothing to the girl. The girl has not committed a sin deserving of death. This case is the same as when a man attacks his fellow man and murders him. For he happened to meet her in the field, and the engaged girl screamed, but there was no one to rescue her."
selena vertolomo, former jehovah's witnesses who was sexually abused in watchtower, went to visit tony morris in north carolina.
selena and her sister call in and explain their position.
callers dial in from around the world and ask plenty of questions.
"And I'll give the Vertolomo sisters a Gold-Metal for bravery & looking out for the interests of abused victims by WT!"
https://www.tiktok.com/@imyourhuckleberry2021/video/7221180032910249258
https://www.tiktok.com/@imyourhuckleberry2021/video/7224210911496539434
https://www.tiktok.com/@imyourhuckleberry2021/video/7225433796483714350
I know that Barbara Anderson, Bill Bowen, and Mark O'Donnell have been brave and have looked out for the interests of abused victims of the WTBT$. I also know that there are countless others who have been brave and have looked out for the interests of abused victims of the WTBT$. I would just hate to see their hard work and progress lose ground because of unsubstantiated claims and threats.
Showing up at a KH and speaking abusively to a random elder is not being "brave". It's being foolish.
I hope Sherry and Salena get the comfort they need. I'm sorry they're suffering. I'm sure they've been through some kind of trauma. They are obviously disturbed individuals. But responding to abuse with abuse is not the way to take down the WT.
for a christian, only the moral commandments of the old testament are binding (as they cannot change), but the various liturgical, social, and other so-called casuistic laws no longer apply to them.
this includes dietary habits, such as the prohibition of pork or fat, as well as the prohibition of blood.. take a look at the following verses: mt 15:11, mk 7:15-19, acts 11:7-9, 1 tim 4:3-5.. the jehovah's witnesses say that, yes, but in the acts of the apostles (15) the consumption of blood, idol meat, and strangled animals is also prohibited, meaning the new testament still forbids it.
for catholics, the council of florence settled this issue, stating that this apostolic regulation was only a temporary measure to facilitate agreement between jews and gentiles in the early church.
"Do you believe a doctor who told a patient to abstain from meat would be upset if he found out his patient later had a liver transplant?"
Well, it depends. I do not know the doctor in your illustration, or the patient, or the situation.
If the patient had Alpha-Gal syndrome and was allergic to certain proteins and if the liver transfusion was of the experimental kind such as discussed in one of the articles here, then, yes, I think the doctor would be upset if he found out the patient had a liver transplant.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8344025/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600073/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5716392/
https://www.insectshield.com/blogs/blog/tick-bites-red-meat-allergy-and-alpha-gal-syndrome
🫶Vander, I agree with you that life is sacred. But I will never agree that it's "okay" to disobey a clear command of God.
"Abstain from blood."
selena vertolomo, former jehovah's witnesses who was sexually abused in watchtower, went to visit tony morris in north carolina.
selena and her sister call in and explain their position.
callers dial in from around the world and ask plenty of questions.
"Jehovah's Witnesses sacrificing babies to Jehovah, do you feel that really happens, Sherry?..."
(Sherry gives no evidence.)
"It does, I have to agree with you. I'm not totally oblivious. I'm sure it does happen."
(Rick just said he's sure people sacrifice babies to Jehovah.)
"One of the other things, I think she might have the numbers right, but I'm not sure, but on that same tiktok video where she's talking about babies being sacrificed to Jehovah, she talks about a pedophile ring. That I have no problem with. I know it for a fact. I have a personal friend who was a personal friend with Watchtower. He's told me numerous times about..."
Anyway, I won't go into all of it. Here's the thing -
Just because we know something has gone on at other times, doesn't mean it's gone on in this particular circumstance.
We know rape happens. But Joseph wasn't guilty of rape just because rape happens.
It's never wise to repeat slander. If there is evidence, fine, but there was no evidence given here. Just puff. Puff isn't a good foundation for anything heavy.
If you read any of my other posts, you know I am not soft on WTBT$. That organization will be destroyed by the nations, I am confident of that. They will be destroyed for misrepresenting Jehovah, the God of truth and love. But so will everyone else who loves lies, as is figuratively depicted here...
"But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death."
(luke 12:10) "and everyone who says a word against the son of man, it will be forgiven him, but whoever blasphemes (speaks reproachfully, vilifies*) against the governing body will not be forgiven.".
most active jw's know that this is the org's dogma regarding the unforgiveable sin - in teaching & in practice.. *https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g987/kjv/tr/0-1/ sheesh - looks like i'm toast!.
selena vertolomo, former jehovah's witnesses who was sexually abused in watchtower, went to visit tony morris in north carolina.
selena and her sister call in and explain their position.
callers dial in from around the world and ask plenty of questions.
I think Rick acted shamefully by promoting this type of behavior. I've never watched Six Screens before yesterday, but I watched a portion of this program yesterday because it was posted on another thread, and it didn't make me feel Rick has a good handle on truth or reality.
I know abuse happens in the JWBorg world, but to promote the type of behavior that Salena took part in is not the answer. To me, it looks like Rick and other youtubers are trying to capitalize on whatever is the latest thing in order to get views, even if it's not based on truth. I doesn't make me want to watch his program a second time. Maybe he has some good shows, but I'll never know.
the belief in the messiah, which has lived in the collective consciousness of humanity since ancient times, became completely obscured among the gentiles, and only remained with the jewish people, who were later chosen by god, as the prophecies of the prophets kept it alive.
there was only one great promise in the old testament from god, which awaited fulfillment!
only one great desire was there in the old testament on the part of man, longing for satisfaction.
I'm not here to look for "followers". I am confident any sheeplike ones will look up the verses in their preferred translation.
1 Timothy 1:5-7
"Really, the objective of this instruction is love out of a clean heart and out of a good conscience and out of faith without hypocrisy. By deviating from these things, some have been turned aside to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of law, but they do not understand either the things they are saying or the things they insist on so strongly."
Revelation 22:6-10
"He said to me: “These words are faithful and true; yes, Jehovah, the God who inspired the prophets, has sent his angel to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. Look! I am coming quickly. Happy is anyone observing the words of the prophecy of this scroll.” Well I, John, was the one hearing and seeing these things. When I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing me these things. But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that! I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers the prophets and of those observing the words of this scroll. Worship God.” He also tells me: “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, for the appointed time is near."
