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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

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Mandated shunning, as currently practiced in the Jehovah's Witnesses organization, is a crime in Jehovah's eyes. God is Love, and the disfellowshipping doctrine as currently practiced is anti-love, antiChrist.

The Bible makes clear that justice took place in the city gate in ancient times, so that those serving as judges were in view of many witnesses as a deterrent to corruption.

The verses in John's writings and Paul's writings and the gospels that are pointed to by WTBT$ leaders as support for their current disfellowshipping doctrine don't fit such an application when they are examined in context and in harmony with the rest of the scriptures.

Whether or not the nations currently feel that mandated shunning in the Jehovah's Witnesses organization is crime or not won't change the fact that Jehovah thinks it's a crime.

He has already said what He will do to remedy the matter.

Revelation 17:15-18

"He said to me: “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished. And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”"

God appointed pagan kings to do His will in the past, like Cyrus. God will permit the governments to remove the "mandated banning" business of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization when the governments tear down the religious institutions. It's already as good as done.

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The pushing berween the K of N and K of S

by Kosonen in

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the brics summit was big this year.

new member states were added.

interesting that they call themselves the global south.

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"Abstract and timeless thought operations with symbols that must correspond to God's intention, which we have difficulty reconstructing, exclude, in my opinion, the possibility of learning the language of angels*. The book of Daniel will remain sealed without God's help.
*In my opinion, for example, John the Baptist (in modern terms one would say: he had a genius ability) interpreted the Scriptures in exactly this way. How else would he have thought of "washing" people with water? That the Law is a shadow of things to come... he got the symbolism of the Law exactly right."

John the Baptist didn't have "genius ability". He had holy spirit.

Luke 1:39-45, 80 "So Mary set out in those days and traveled with haste into the mountainous country, to a city of Judah, and she entered the home of Zech·a·riʹah and greeted Elizabeth. Well, as Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the infant in her womb leaped, and Elizabeth was filled with holy spirit and loudly cried out: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruitage of your womb! So how is it that this privilege is mine, to have the mother of my Lord come to me? For look! as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. Happy too is she who believed, for there will be a complete fulfillment of those things spoken to her from Jehovah.”...And the young child grew up and became strong in spirit, and he continued in the desert until the day he showed himself openly to Israel."

Luke 3:2-6 "God’s declaration came to John the son of Zech·a·riʹah in the wilderness. So he went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching baptism in symbol of repentance for forgiveness of sins, just as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: “A voice of one crying out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of Jehovah! Make his roads straight. Every valley must be filled up, and every mountain and hill leveled; the crooked ways must become straight, and the rough ways smooth; and all flesh will see the salvation of God.’”"

It was God who gave John the message by means of holy spirit, that's why his message and actions "got the symbolism of the Law exactly right."

Jehovah hasn't changed. He can use His holy spirit today to help people understand the meaning of the Bible, including the meaning of Daniel's prophecies. You don't need to know "the language of angels" to understand who is the king of the north or the king of the south. You need to know Jehovah, through Jesus. He is the one who said...

"When the helper comes that I will send you from the Father, the spirit of the truth, which comes from the Father, that one will bear witness about me; and you, in turn, are to bear witness..."

John 15:26,27

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4 Verses Jehovah's Witnesses fulfill today, can you think of more?

by raymond frantz in

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Luke 10:30-32

"“A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jerʹi·cho and fell victim to robbers, who stripped him, beat him, and went off, leaving him half-dead. Now by coincidence a priest was going down on that road, but when he saw him, he passed by on the opposite side. Likewise, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the opposite side."

Some JWs are like the priest who pass by on the opposite side.

Some JWs are like the Levite who pass by on the opposite side.

Some JWs are like the robbers who hurt a person and go off on their way.

Some JWs are like the victim.

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The pushing berween the K of N and K of S

by Kosonen in

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friends

the brics summit was big this year.

new member states were added.

interesting that they call themselves the global south.

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@PetrW, you're making things too complicated. It's not that difficult.

The angel was a messenger to humans, not a messenger to spirit creatures.

The progression of powers in Daniel chapters 2, 7, 8, and 11 are parallel to each other. They are presenting the same march of powers, just some have more details than others.

Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Anglo-American, United Nations.

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Help wanted finding images

by Lee Marsh in

i am working on a project that requires proofs that the wts did say it and jws believe and follow it.. i have found some but google is giving me a hard time with some things.. as i go i will post requests for various images.

they all must have a reference or at least post where i can find the reference and i will add it to the image.. both older and newer beliefs are welcome, especially flip-flops.. if you have something similar to what is already posted then more references the better.

i know there are images of the structure of the wts.

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According to the congregation elders, if you report abuse by an elder and when the elders don't do anything to remedy the situation you keep talking about it to protect others from harm, you are causing divisions. If you warn other publishers about an abusive elder, you are causing divisions. If you ask other publishers for help to protect you or your children from an abusive elder who is actively attempting to access your children, you are causing divisions. If you report your husband to the police for domestic abuse and you ask the congregation to help you in your situation, you are causing divisions. If you don't shut up about what they want you to shut up about, you will be disfellowshipped for causing divisions, because telling on abuse is "disruptive to the unity of the congregation" and "may involve or lead to apostasy".

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Help wanted finding images

by Lee Marsh in

i am working on a project that requires proofs that the wts did say it and jws believe and follow it.. i have found some but google is giving me a hard time with some things.. as i go i will post requests for various images.

they all must have a reference or at least post where i can find the reference and i will add it to the image.. both older and newer beliefs are welcome, especially flip-flops.. if you have something similar to what is already posted then more references the better.

i know there are images of the structure of the wts.

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(These excerpts do not specifically use the word "submission" or "subjection" but it is implied that a person who is not in "submission" or "subjection" is an "apostate" or being "brazen" and can be disfellowshipped for not conforming to the direction from the organization.)

The 1980 letter to circuit overseers about "apostates" says to disfellowship those who are not in subjection to what the GB/FDS teaches...it says "Keep in mind to be disfellowshipped, an apostate does not have to be a promoter of apostate views..."standing away from"...Therefore, if a baptized Christian abandons the teachings...as presented by the faithful and discreet slave, and persists in believing other doctrine...then he is apostatizing...rejects what he has been provided through the slave class, then appropriate judicial action should be taken."

1980 Letter to circuit overseers about apostates...

https://files.accessjw.org/s/QkEpDaBMN6EdkZJ

2023 edition of "Shepherd the Flock of God" Elder's book under "Determining Whether A Judicial Committee Should Be Formed" Chapter 12 point 17, subpoint 1, not being in subjection/submission regarding the elders' direction regarding associating with other disfellowshipped ones is considered "brazen conduct" and a disfellowshipping offense; also under that point 17, subpoint 2, a person who dates without permission could be disfellowshipped for "brazen conduct"...

https://files.accessjw.org/s/NSCySFCnaSiE2A5

Also in that publication, same Chapter 12 point 39 subpoint 4, not agreeing with what is published by organization is labeled "apostasy" or "causing divisions" and is a disfellowshipping offense...

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How to Legally Dissolve a Religious Organization

by EasyPrompt in

regarding the state dissolving a church organization.... .

as posted in another thread, here is what is happening in japan, filing a court order to dissolve the unification church.... .

https://www.eurasiareview.com/06092023-japan-seeks-court-order-to-dissolve-unification-church/.

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I love reading how "The Message" Bible translation does that chapter of Matthew 23! I also like how that translation reads when Jesus is giving the what-for to the naughty religious hypocrites in the congregations as recorded in Revelation 2 and 3. The teaching of disfellowshipping is a lot like what Jezebel did - she would mislabel someone as worthy of death and then the elders followed through with the execution. Jesus' words to the "Jezebels" in the congregation (meaning any person, whether man or woman, who misuses their authority in order to hurt others) make me think of how Jesus feels about those authors and backers of the twisted disfellowshipping doctrine, and also those who permit abuse in the flock and protect the abusers rather than the sheep, and those who promote idolatry of men/GB/elders/pioneers/whatever. Here is what it says in Revelation 2:18-25...

"Write this to Thyatira, to the Angel of the church. God’s Son, eyes pouring fire-blaze, standing on feet of furnace-fired bronze, says this:

“I see everything you’re doing for me. Impressive! The love and the faith, the service and persistence. Yes, very impressive! You get better at it every day.

“But why do you let that Jezebel who calls herself a prophet mislead my dear servants into Cross-denying, self-indulging religion? I gave her a chance to change her ways, but she has no intention of giving up a career in the god-business. I’m about to lay her low, along with her partners, as they play their sex-and-religion games. The bastard offspring of their idol-whoring I’ll kill. Then every church will know that appearances don’t impress me. I x-ray every motive and make sure you get what’s coming to you.

“The rest of you Thyatirans, who have nothing to do with this outrage, who scorn this playing around with the Devil that gets paraded as profundity, be assured I’ll not make life any harder for you than it already is. Hold on to the truth you have until I get there."

The Bethel arrangement, the WTBT$/GB/FD$, it's all part of "the bastard offspring of their idol-whoring" that Jesus says he will figuratively "kill" when he gets here.

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How to Legally Dissolve a Religious Organization

by EasyPrompt in

regarding the state dissolving a church organization.... .

as posted in another thread, here is what is happening in japan, filing a court order to dissolve the unification church.... .

https://www.eurasiareview.com/06092023-japan-seeks-court-order-to-dissolve-unification-church/.

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You know what Jesus was like. He hated all that religious hypocrisy. Remember how mad he got at those dudes in the temple taking advantage of people? Remember how he called the religious frauds "snakes" and "sons of the Devil"? And how frustrated he got when they were so dumb and giving people a hard time about getting healed on the Sabbath?

Remember how Jehovah kept warning His people in the past when they became religious hypocrites, they crushed the people instead of protecting them - he kept warning them and warning them - but they wouldn't listen, and finally He sent the Babylonians to tear down the temple? Or later on the second time, when He sent the Romans to tear down the temple?

Jehovah hasn't changed. Jesus hasn't changed. They will allow the nations to tear down all the fake religious stuff again, except on a larger scale. It's the lowly ones, the ones looked down on by the Pharisees, the "tax collectors and prostitutes" that ended up being closer to Jesus and God in the end back then, because at least they were honest.

When people in our day become atheists because of all the religious hypocrisy, Jehovah understands.

"unprovable--unless it happens."

WTBT$ says I'm no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses. They are wrong about a lot of things. I am a witness of Jehovah. The things I share about the downfall of the WTBT$ are written in His Word. And His Word always comes true.

This is September. Every September has a beginning and an end. In the same way, the WTBT$ had a beginning, and it will have an end, because if God didn't step in to remove the hypocritical religious institutions then the innocent would never last. The end of WTBT$ will happen soon, because it is prophesied in God's Word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odd2xE0_5tk

🙂🫶

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The pushing berween the K of N and K of S

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

the brics summit was big this year.

new member states were added.

interesting that they call themselves the global south.

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Kosonen's gifts include having a heart of gold, endurance under extremely difficult circumstances, and the mildness that belongs to wisdom. There is a lot I can learn from him about those things.

"And if I have the gift of prophecy and understand all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my belongings to feed others, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I do not benefit at all. Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous. It does not brag, does not get puffed up, does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails."

He is teaching me about these things by his example in brotherly love, for which I am very thankful. To me, that is not worthless - it is priceless.💖

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The pushing berween the K of N and K of S

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

the brics summit was big this year.

new member states were added.

interesting that they call themselves the global south.

EasyPrompt

"What am I saying? I mean to suggest that historicizing interpretations lead nowhere - they are more a manifestation of exegetical arbitrariness, often unwittingly taken in large part from Hyppolytus of Rome in particular."

@PetrW, when Daniel recorded the angel's words, for instance that one beast stood for the king of Greece or that another one stood for a certain king, Daniel wasn't making historicized interpretations that lead to nowhere. The angel certainly wasn't manifesting exegetical arbitrariness.

Hippolytus went beyond what is written in the same way the WTBT$ does at times, but the part of what is there that is in harmony with other scriptures (like when the angel clearly says "so-and-so means the king of Greece") or when it's clear there were four generals who inherited Alexander's kingdom, or when "the exactor went through the kingdom" for the census - these things are clear and not "exegetical arbitrariness".

"main thrust of the interpretation in those passages in Daniel and Revelation where it talks about the 10 fingers or 10 horns and the final battles between the 10 horns (Dan 7:24 ff).
All geographical remarks and relationships are symbolic in nature, the meaning of which derives from biblical realities: e.g., Egypt - existed in biblical times, but in eschatology, this symbol plays the role of a competitor to God's people. It is a symbol for an organized, hostile, and murderous system, the same as Sodom (see Rev. 11:8)."

It seems that you are the one here imitating Hippolytus as far as just making stuff up that goes beyond what is in the text. The kings in chapter 11 of Daniel are not figurative of evil or symbolic of something else. The angel was explaining to Daniel about specific world powers. Revelation is in symbols. Daniel 11 is not. The accounts compliment each other.

The visions of Revelation display the UN figuratively as a wild beast that eats up religious institutions. The second half of Daniel chapter 11 describes some of the details about how that works out.