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Praise for watchtower

by wannaexit in

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did watchtower pay for this?

or is the anchor woman affiliated with the witnesses somehow?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3vldmrfcg.

I looked over "In Search of Christian Freedom" before but I wasn't as interested in it as I was in "Crisis of Conscience". What I appreciated about "Crisis of Conscience" was the exposing of the behind-the-scenes on the GB as well as the way his disfellowshipping went. Mine was similar, where the elders were sketchy, so that resounded with me. Also, his attitude of being sorry about the way his decisions as a GB member affected people, that helped me heal from the nasty way the GB treated me. (I wrote to the GB and 50 "high-profile" members of Bethel repeatedly before and after my disfellowshipping without response.)

Before I was baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses I went to school for archaeology/anthropology, so I did not find Ray's information on the Flood to be accurate, since in my experience the geology and archaeology scholars are not trustworthy any more than the GB is trustworthy. "Publish or perish". Publish=$$$, whether it's religious magazines or evolutionary theories in "scientific" literature and grant requests. From the evidence I saw in both shovel-testing and in research, the Bible account of the Flood is trustworthy. I also found from my own personal studies that the evolution teaching is a bunch of trash.

As regards the 1914 thing, the reason I know the WTBT$ doctrine is a bunch of bunk isn't because of the scholars as regards dating, but because chapter four of Daniel has absolutely no indication of a future fulfillment.

Anyway, that's neither here nor there. This is the place I found "Crisis of Conscience" (it also has "In Search of Christian Freedom" there) online...https://friendsofraymondfranz.com/books-in-english/

I skimmed over some of the other essays and books on that site, but I didn't find them as interesting. The "Gentile Times" teaching is a holdover from apostasy in the Jewish faith. Jesus didn't come in the first century or in 1914. I think it's funny that people write books and books when you can just look around and know obviously Jesus isn't in Kingdom power yet, but, whatever, people can believe what they want.

The PID believes that the GB has power and authority because of that 1914 trash, but they'll soon see that Jesus doesn't approve of the WTBT$, or any of the clergy people who lord it over others in a naughty way. When Jesus is actually enthroned in heaven, the Bible makes clear that one of the first things he'll do is wipe the earth clean of all the fraudulent religious leaders and their bogus organizations that reproach God's name and take advantage of people. Then there will be 3 1/2 years without religious institutions around where the UN gets a chance to try their hand at world domination. Then God will say "enough!" and things will get better. Jehovah told the finale from the beginning. We're just hanging in there for the ride.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzki3TtDEDk

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Praise for watchtower

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

did watchtower pay for this?

or is the anchor woman affiliated with the witnesses somehow?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3vldmrfcg.

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"Crisis of Conscience" is one of the first publications I read after getting disfellowshipped.🙂 I also read "New Boy" by Keith Caserona (although I skipped quickly over some parts) and I read J.J. Ross' "Some Facts and More Facts about Charles Taze Russell" and lots of stuff on Barbara Anderson's site "watchtowerdocuments" and Bill Bowen's stuff on "SilentLambs".

All the lying organizations will be destroyed in time. Jehovah's name guarantees it. He is the God of Truth and "He Causes To Become."

"We don't shun," Hendriks said. "Shunning would be cutting somebody off and pretending they don't exist. That's just not the case."

I met Robert Hendriks outside a convention four months ago. He was pleasant enough when he thought I was a JW in "good standing". He had a friend take a picture of me and my kids with him and his wife. (I try to not be prejudiced, and I don't believe in the disfellowshipping doctrine, so when I saw him, I talked to him because I recognized him from pictures on exjwreddit. The elders at the convention wouldn't talk to me because they knew I was disfellowshipped, but Robert Hendriks didn't know.) He gave me his cell phone number. He texted back and forth with me and told me my kids and I were good examples.

But when I disclosed via text later on that I was disfellowshipped by corrupt elders for telling on abuse, everything changed. After asking me not to share his phone number he didn't ask me if he could help with anything. He didn't ask if I was okay. He didn't say he was sorry the organization was so mean. He told me that I "could come back to Jehovah" but I told him I never left Jehovah. (I left the GB because they are apostates, because they were willing to let bad guys hurt the sheep and they wanted to cull me out for telling on wolves.) I was the same person before and after Robert Hendriks knew I was "disfellowshipped". But his prejudices and indoctrination made him act like a Pharisee. To him, I went from being "a good example" to being mentally diseased and worthy of everlasting death just because of a manmade label that's not even in the Bible.

These PID guys are indoctrinated to think the GB=Jehovah, when the GB are actually opposing Jehovah. They shun Jehovah's sheep instead of shunning the wolves. They praise the Watchtower idol instead of praising Jehovah. It's gross. I feel bad for them. They're mentally diseased because of the WTBT$ teachings.

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Praise for watchtower

by wannaexit in

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friends

did watchtower pay for this?

or is the anchor woman affiliated with the witnesses somehow?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3vldmrfcg.

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💖🫶☺️

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Praise for watchtower

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

did watchtower pay for this?

or is the anchor woman affiliated with the witnesses somehow?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3vldmrfcg.

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When the WT Society is 86'd.
I dont know. They have a lot of companies, a$$ets and properties to suddenly disappear all at once 🙄

Having a lot of companies/assets/properties doesn't seem to be helping the Unification Church not get dissolved right about now...

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Japan-to-seek-court-order-to-dissolve-Unification-Church

"TOKYO (Kyodo) -- The Japanese government plans to seek a court order to disband the Unification Church, a government source said on Saturday, a move that comes after a monthslong probe into the religious group over allegations of soliciting financially ruinous donations from members and other questionable practices.

Scrutiny of the group intensified after former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was fatally shot during an election campaign speech last year over his perceived links to the entity, an incident that also brought to light its connections with many ruling party lawmakers.

According to the source, the Cultural Affairs Agency is currently considering convening a meeting of an advisory body on religious institutions, possibly on Oct. 12, to report its plan, and then asking the Tokyo District Court to issue an order to dissolve the group, the source said.

The agency has judged through documents submitted from the Unification Church and statements of victims who were pressured into making massive donations that the group's practices amounted to violations of the Religious Corporations Act, according to the source.

The law allows Japanese courts to order the dissolution of a religious group that has committed an act that is "clearly found to harm public welfare substantially."

If dissolved, the Unification Church, founded in South Korea in 1954 and formally known as the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, would lose its status as a religious corporation in Japan and be deprived of tax benefits, although it could still operate as an entity.

So far, only two religious organizations have received a dissolution order from a Japanese court because of legal violations. One was the AUM Shinrikyo cult, which carried out the deadly 1995 sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway system.

Many in Japan have reported financial problems involving the Unification Church, which has also been notorious for "spiritual sales," in which it pressures people to buy vases and other items for exorbitant prices through the use of threats, such as invoking negative "ancestral karma."

The group has also been found responsible in some civil lawsuits filed over huge donations.

In the case of Abe's assassination, police have said that Tetsuya Yamagami, who has been indicted over the incident, claimed he targeted Abe partly because Abe's grandfather, former Prime Minister Nobusuke Kishi, helped bring the church to Japan in the 1960s.

Yamagami's mother is believed to have made donations totaling 100 million yen ($670,000) to the church, which Yamagami has said financially ruined the family."

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Praise for watchtower

by wannaexit in

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friends

did watchtower pay for this?

or is the anchor woman affiliated with the witnesses somehow?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3vldmrfcg.

EasyPrompt

The 2016 Media Relations Manual gives insight into how it is the "outside of the cup" (rather than the "inside of the cup") that the headquarters people are concerned with...

https://files.accessjw.org/s/MsqA4gS7G5WzmdH

The "facts are being twisted" by the WTBT$ headquarters people.

The PID people are the same way. If you are a victim of abuse and you ask Robert Hendriks for help, he will turn you away, just like the hypocritical priest and Levite in Jesus' illustration who were too concerned about getting their clothes dirty to help the beat up guy on side of the road. They claim to be Christian, follower of Christ, but they aren't following him.

It's fake. The PID are fakers. They are not following Christ. They are following the GB. The GB are heading over the cliff into Gehenna with the rest of the religious institution leaders.

"Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

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Cult or High Control Group?

by MillennialDawn in

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i see this phrase a lot: "the indication of a cult is what happens when you leave.

" i'm not sure where that originated, but it is a faulty categorization.

"cult" is almost always used in a derogatory way.

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(from The Watchtower, 1994, 2/15, "Cults - What are they?")

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1994120

"What Is a Cult?

"The term “cult” is used loosely by many who may not be fully aware of its connotations. To prevent confusion, some theologians actually avoid using the term.

The World Book Encyclopedia explains that “traditionally, the term cult referred to any form of worship or ritual observance.” By that criterion, all religious organizations could be classified as cults. However, in general usage today, the word “cult” has a different meaning. The same encyclopedia notes that “since the mid-1900’s, publicity about cults has altered the meaning of the term. Today, the term is applied to groups that follow a living leader who promotes new and unorthodox doctrines and practices.”

Interestingly, the IBSA people were referred to as "Russellites" and "Rutherfordites" prior to renaming themselves with the false moniker "Jehovah's Witnesses".

(1994 Watchtower article on Cults continues: "Endorsing the popular usage of the term, Newsweek magazine explains that cults “are normally small, fringe groups whose members derive their identity and purpose from a single, charismatic individual.” Similarly, Asiaweek magazine notes that “the term [cult] itself is vague, but it usually denotes a new religious creed built around a charismatic leader, who often proclaims himself to be the personification of God.”"

Who was it who said they were the "G.uardians O.f D.octrine", the "G.O.D."?😝

1994 Watchtower article on Cults continues: "The language used in a joint resolution of the 100th Congress of the State of Maryland, U.S.A., also conveys the derogatory connotation of the term cult. The resolution states that “a cult is a group or movement exhibiting excessive devotion to a person or idea and employing unethically manipulative techniques of persuasion and control to advance the goals of its leaders.”"

"Excessive devotion" - would that be like the high percentage of JW articles/comments/videos that direct devotion to the GB/FDS? Or how anyone who doesn't show devotion to the GB/FDS is disfellowshipped?

1994 Watchtower article on Cults continues: "Clearly, cults are generally understood to be religious groups with radical views and practices that clash with what is accepted today as normal social behavior. Usually they conduct their religious activities in secrecy. Many of these cultic groups actually isolate themselves in communes. Their devotion to a self-proclaimed human leader is likely to be unconditional and exclusive. Often these leaders boast of having been divinely chosen or even of being themselves divine in nature."

Commune, like Bethel, where a bunch of people take a vow of poverty and live behind a guard station where you can only get in to visit if you get special clearance...

1994 Watchtower article on Cults continues: "Occasionally, anticult organizations and the media have referred to Jehovah’s Witnesses as a cult. A number of recent newspaper articles lump the Witnesses with religious groups known for their questionable practices. But would it be accurate to refer to Jehovah’s Witnesses as a small fringe religious group? Cult members often isolate themselves from friends, family, and even society in general. Is that the case with Jehovah’s Witnesses? Are the Witnesses using deceptive and unethical techniques to recruit members?"

This article from the JWBorg started by saying that the definition of a "cult" is "normally" (implying "but not always") being "small" or "fringe". By their own definition, it is a group that has excessive devotion to men rather than God and has communes. By their own definition, they fit the definition of a cult.

They are using deceptive and unethical techniques to recruit members. They aren't transparent about the CSA problem and the free-labor-real-estate scheme and they twist the scriptures to feign support for their rotten doctrines like the 1914 thing and the disfellowshipping thing. They claim to be Christian, but many of those taking the lead either promote or condone or cover up unChristian practices.

https://youtu.be/1W34s0sVKRQ

1994 Watchtower article on Cults continues: "Cult leaders are known to use manipulative methods to control the minds of their followers. Is there any evidence that Jehovah’s Witnesses do this? Is their worship cloaked in secrecy? Are they following and venerating a human leader? Pointedly, are Jehovah’s Witnesses a cult?""

Yes. According to their own definitions, yes, they are a cult.

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Judicial Committees are Sentencing Committees

by Vanderhoven7 in

this video starts slow, but is worth the watch.

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https://www.youtube.com/live/oo6tyxodkvk?si=oduof8kkvjypkoyh.

EasyPrompt

The 1980 letter to circuit overseers about "apostates" says to disfellowship those who are not in subjection to what the GB/FDS teaches...it says "Keep in mind to be disfellowshipped, an apostate does not have to be a promoter of apostate views..."standing away from"...Therefore, if a baptized Christian abandons the teachings...as presented by the faithful and discreet slave, and persists in believing other doctrine...then he is apostatizing...rejects what he has been provided through the slave class, then appropriate judicial action should be taken."

1980 Letter to circuit overseers about apostates...

https://files.accessjw.org/s/QkEpDaBMN6EdkZJ

2023 edition of "Shepherd the Flock of God" Elder's book under "Determining Whether A Judicial Committee Should Be Formed" Chapter 12 point 17, not being in subjection/submission regarding the elders' direction regarding associating with other disfellowshipped ones is considered "brazen conduct" and a disfellowshipping offense...

https://files.accessjw.org/s/NSCySFCnaSiE2A5

Also in that publication, same Chapter 12 point 39 subpoint 4, not agreeing with what is published by organization is labeled "apostasy" and is a disfellowshipping offense. "Deliberate action" can mean not obeying the elders, for instance, if a publisher refused to say "amen" to the public prayer of an elder because of knowing that elder's involvement in covering abuse, then that publisher would be seen as taking "deliberate action" to undermine the authority of the elder and would be disfellowshipped for "apostasy" even though not actively teaching any specific contrary view - the "causing divisions" clause is like a catch-all to disfellowship anyone who holds "apostate" views - and again, "apostasy" in their eyes doesn't mean against the Bible it means against the Governing Body/FDS teachings...

If a baptized JW does not agree with the disfellowshipping teaching they are considered "apostate". Even if that person does not "teach" others about their belief, if they continue to associate with disfellowshipped JWs or if they live in a way that the elders don't like then they will be disfellowshipped. Rather then charging them with "apostasy" they will be charged with "brazen conduct" or "causing divisions" or something else, but it's all the same. If the elders or Bethel want you gone, they'll drum up some false charges just like the Sanhedrin did for Jesus.

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Praise for watchtower

by wannaexit in

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friends

did watchtower pay for this?

or is the anchor woman affiliated with the witnesses somehow?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3vldmrfcg.

EasyPrompt

"GB member David Splane did say a year or two back that ''this is war"" on the apostates."

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/2021Convention/pub-co-r21_137_VIDEO

In his video, David Splane misapplies scriptures left and right. He quotes Romans 16:17 -

"Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them."

Do you know anyone who has caused more divisions between brothers than the Governing Body with their antichrist disfellowshipping policy? True Christians will avoid the God-dishonoring antichrist teachings of the JWBorg Governing Body at all costs.

David Splane also misapplies Matthew 5:25,26 -

"“Be quick to settle matters with your legal opponent, while you are with him on the way there, so that somehow the opponent may not turn you over to the judge, and the judge to the court attendant, and you get thrown into prison. I say to you for a fact, you will certainly not come out of there until you have paid over your last small coin."

The payment of the WTBT$ is overdue, and Jehovah will make an accounting. They have refused to show respect for Jehovah, for Jehovah's name, and for Jehovah's sheep. When He allows the secular authorities to soon dissolve the WTBT$, everyone will know that it's because the GB have treated Jehovah disrespectfully.

A pronouncement for the apostate David Splane -

2 Kings 19:21,22

"This is the word that Jehovah has spoken against him:

“The virgin daughter of Zion despises you, she scoffs at you.

The daughter of Jerusalem shakes her head at you.

Whom have you taunted and blasphemed?

Against whom have you raised your voice

And lifted your arrogant eyes?

It is against the Holy One of Israel!""

The PID and the GB will be figuratively RIP when the WTBT$ is 86'd.

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Praise for watchtower

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

did watchtower pay for this?

or is the anchor woman affiliated with the witnesses somehow?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3vldmrfcg.

EasyPrompt

To Robert Hendriks and the PID people:

Your "war on apostates" is actually a form of civil war the GB leaders are waging on your spiritual brothers, seekers of truth, who belong to the Christ. The GB wishes to shun them, not out of love, but out of a spirit of competition and pride. Jesus is not pleased with such antichrist behavior. Jehovah's name is reproached because of the GB.

The GB leaders may help you to be "rich" now in prominence or approval from men, but the day of accounting by the Christ is at hand. You cannot serve two masters.

Luke 18:17-23

"Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the Kingdom of God like a young child will by no means enter into it.” And one of the rulers questioned him, saying: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and your mother.’” Then he said: “All of these I have kept from youth on.” After hearing that, Jesus said to him, “There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower.” When he heard this, he became deeply grieved, for he was very rich."

https://youtu.be/QcqZTL4-HHg?si=VP3v4vPdSS-yhN3D

To Robert Hendriks and the PID people:

Revelation 3:17-19

"Because you say, “I am rich and have acquired riches and do not need anything at all,” but you do not know that you are miserable and pitiful and poor and blind and naked, I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may become dressed and that the shame of your nakedness may not be exposed, and eyesalve to rub in your eyes so that you may see. All those for whom I have affection, I reprove and discipline. So be zealous and repent."

The Watchtower will be torn down, because it is built on the sand, not on the rock mass. The GB/FD$ is "sand". Jesus' way is love. Open your eyes - shunning is not the way of love. Hiding CSA is not the way of love. Worshipping the GB/FD$ is not the way of truth. Your jobs with the PID are about to come to an abrupt conclusion, because the WTBT$ is about to be removed. Their nakedness is exposed. You would be wise to get away from them. They are full of spiritual disease.

Isaiah 26:21

"For look! Jehovah is coming from his place

To call the inhabitants of the land to account for their error,

And the land will expose her bloodshed

And will no longer cover over her slain."

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Praise for watchtower

by wannaexit in

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friends

did watchtower pay for this?

or is the anchor woman affiliated with the witnesses somehow?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3vldmrfcg.

EasyPrompt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W34s0sVKRQ